BR Bullpen:Featured Article Candidates
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Please read nominated articles fully before deciding to support or oppose a nomination.
Please read nominated articles fully before deciding to support or oppose a nomination.
- Support We've never had a featured article for a female player and she's been one of the best. - Mischa (talk) 18:47, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Support It's time indeed for an article on a female player to be featured, and she has a great track record. Philippe (talk) 19:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I'm not going to support someone just because they fit a demographic checklist. The article on its merits doesn't fit our standards. Too short (compare hers to all our most recent featured articles). Sourcing is weak, number of images are pretty weak. Alexsautographs (talk) 22:53, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Responding to different points raised -
- 1) I wasn't meaning that we need to check off numerous demographic boxes. No featured player from New Mexico? Let's put Ralph Kiner in! No player over 7' tall yet? Let's put Loek van Mil in! (Actually, both gentlemen had interesting careers and would be good candidates at some point - I haven't checked Kiner's page to see if it's complete enough) My point was more to use the featured article to expand people's knowledge of areas of the baseball world - ex. Owen Ozanich was featured not so we could have a French player so that people could learn about French baseball.
- 2) In terms of length, it would be one of our shorter features, though double the size of Spread of baseball project (OTOH, that did not go through our usual review process). It's not a lot shorter than Ming-Tsu Lu, which might be our shortest player page to date. I tried to see if we have a rule on page length for featured articles but can't find it. Anybody know?
- 3) Good point on sourcing. I can amend that.
- 4) Number of pictures - I thought 2 is about average for a feature. Some are more, some only have one. - Mischa (talk) 12:27, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Diversity is important, in that we don't want to solely have major league players from the same era as our features. It's worthwhile to reflect the diversity of articles that the bullpen holds - which includes a large number of biographies of female players. I don't mind a shorter article, or one that's not littered with end notes. The importance is that it treats its subject comprehensively and that one can learn about baseball from the article, and that's clearly the case in the proposed article. As for pictures, one is the minimum: just adding barely relevant pictures (e.g. adding a picture of Babe Ruth because the subject once did something usually linked to the Babe) is not going to improve an article. Philippe (talk) 12:34, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Support Game-by-game breakdown of the Cup. We haven't had any European tournaments as our featured article yet. - Mischa (talk) 16:59, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral I'm not much for European baseball, and don't know how many Europeans use the Bullpen, but for those that are and do, this is a nice recap of the tournament. - Cmcgill (talk) 16:34, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- I think the question that comes up is should the featured article focus on expanding on more well-known topics - for instance, the readers here probably all know of Bobby Avila but might have known of his soccer career, how he did in Cuba or his political career - or on whether they should help teach people about things they didn't know as much about - like all the interesting elements of Benny Distefano's career or that baseball is played in Europe with former and future major leaguers taking part in major tournaments. I can see both sides and have tried to alternate suggesting articles of more prominent and less prominent events. - Mischa (talk) 16:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support I know how much work Mischa puts into these pages, as the information is not always readily available and there is no other website as comprehensive as ours where one can find information about these types of international tournaments. I'm surprised that there are no red links to be found. Good work there ! Philippe (talk) 19:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- I spent time filling in the red links. I try to do this before proposing any page as a featured article candidate. Sometimes, it takes a lot of work - before I suggested the Dolf Luque page, there were plenty of Negro Leaguers to add pages for, some with lengthy careers (ex. Eustaquio Pedroso, Oscar Levis, Dave Brown). For Bobby Avila, there were only a handful of links to be filled in thankfully. I have thought of one day expanding Dave Roberts, which could lead to a lot of red links for Japanese players before it could be a featured candidate. - Mischa (talk) 19:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral Not because it's not a great piece of work, it is. I love the Bullpen because it covers more of the lesser known leagues and tournaments, such as this. The benefit of a wiki like this is that it allows room for more novelty -- there is not a sclerotic, unbending standard as to what is notable -- and I would love to see more articles like this get featured, because it opens up more of the baseball world to the readers. But, my primary issue is its structure -- too many bullet points and short bursts of text, as well as lists and charts. While it's a fantastic piece of work, I just don't know if it is feature worthy. Alexsautographs (talk) 20:56, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wonderful page. It's more a reference page than one you can read as an article, but there is a value in highlighting this kind of page also. As for being somewhat "obscure", I don't see any problem with that at all - many baseball fans would say that our detailed interest in anything other than the biggest major league stars is obscure. We do a service by bringing to light other aspects of baseball. - Randy (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I wrote most of that article, so obviously I think it's fine. However, it's not much different from other recent All-Star Game articles that also feature a game description. The main distinguishing feature is that President Obama was there, and as a result we have some pictures. --Philippe (talk) 09:25, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
I'll mark your vote as Support; do you have an All-Star Game candidate (or other game candidate) you'd prefer? I picked this one as a candidate mostly because it has more pictures and about as much text. - --Mischa (talk) 12:38, 5 August 2016 (EDT)
Support I like it; it gives a good sense of how the season went. It's clearly been written from a fan's point of view, but there is still lots of factual information that makes the article worthwhile. We don't have that many team season articles, and that one is clearly among the most comprehensive ones. --Philippe (talk) 15:19, 26 January 2016 (EST)
Support Wouldn't take much to even out the fan viewpoint - a word here or there. Maybe a few points could be added giving the team's standings/games back at certain points during the season. --Jeff (talk) 22:17, 26 January 2016 (EST)
- Neutral Probably needs another image or two. Will support when images are added. Alex (talk) 10:27, 29 January 2016 (EST)
- Neutral I think it could use a little more work, breaking it up with a few topic headers for readability, and adding one or two images (a team photo, as mentioned, a photo or two of its best players, showing the uniforms, or an action photo shot at their home park that season). The last sentence sounds like it was written as a season summary that year, with no knowledge of what the next 12 years held. -- Couillaud (talk) 10:01, 5 February 2016 (EST)
We won't need a new featured article for a couple months, but I'd throw a couple suggestions out there for now. The Roberto Clemente article is immense, well-crafted, highly-detailed and extremely well-sourced. Especially impressive is that it was done almost entirely by one man! Alex (talk) 12:02, 4 August 2014 (EDT)
I haven't looked at the article in a while, but I thought he was still in progress with it. If it is complete, it needs some editing-over, probably. I don't have time to look right now; good job thinking ahead on featured articles. - --Mischa (talk) 12:32, 4 August 2014 (EDT)
The article is still incomplete as there are a few planned sections in the middle which are still empty. David Speed has only been contributing intermittently in the past while; maybe if we let him know his article is contemplated for featured status, it would encourage him to complete his Herculean task. It would be difficult for anyone else to contribute the missing sections. I have no issues with the content generally, but a lot of work has to be done on the formatting and lay-out in order to bring it closer to the usual Bullpen style. --Philippe (talk) 03:52, 5 August 2014 (EDT)
Support - I cleaned this up a bit. It's informative, covers his career, and life outside of baseball as well. It has a picture, it's detailed - it may just be featured article worthy. Alex 19:40, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
I'll give my vote when I've had more time to review. Two problems: 1) The second picture is unsourced and Auricle99 was noted to copy stuff without permission so it should probably be removed. 2) There are no sources listed. - --Mischa 19:50, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
- Support, although it needs a longer intro, refs, and an image. --MichaelEng (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
- Oppose. Seems awfully trivial. Let's focus more on the history of the game than on pop culture treatment of it. - --Mischa 15:44, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
- Oppose. Looks to be wikipedia-sourced as well, and not original bullpen material. --Philippe 01:32, 9 November 2007 (EST)
- Support, although it needs a longer intro, refs, and an image. --MichaelEng (talk) 15:31, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
- Neutral. Anyone's personal All-Star list doesn't strike me as major enough as it should be featured. OTOH, Nixon's a major figure and the list is somewhat well-known. I think some other articles are more important. - --Mischa 15:58, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
- Oppose. A fairly trivial issue. Apart from the list being President Nixon's concoction (and who knows if he didn't have a few white house staffers pouring over an old McMillan's encyclopaedia to help him out) it hasn't been influential in any meaningful way after its publication. For example, no player's status in the game has been reevaluated as a result of Nixon's list, and no one cites it as an autoritative source. These would be the factors to make such a list truly memorable. --Philippe 01:38, 9 November 2007 (EST)