User talk:19thCenturyBallplayer

Welcome to a fellow Pennsylvanian! - Mischa (talk) 12:31, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Please take note of the standard format for a player page and the categories available to be applied. Jeff (talk) 22:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I've wikified Parker Treat's page for you. Have a look at what I've done using the "view history" button at the top of that page. I'm not sure why you created the page, though, given you did not really add any information not on the BR page (apart from the incomplete mention of the no-hitter). For now, it's just a stub. Philippe (talk) 00:18, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

You can also see how Vianello Drinkwater, Octavius Catto, Carlos Maciá, and José Romero (Cuba) have been wikified. Jeff (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Ohh I see what you mean now, alright. I'll do that format from now on going forward.

-Gothy

As for the reason of creating the page, I been trying to add more onto the pages about minor league players and am attempting to find more about their lives and stuff since they're technically notable and kinda forgotten.

-Gothy

They are notable, but we have thousands of notable minor leaguers who do not have a page. You should prioritize creating those for players for whom you have found information beyond the basics, rather than for those for whom you hope to find additional info in the future... Philippe (talk) 13:28, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Now that you've started to create player pages, you may want to read our BR Bullpen:Guidelines as that page contains useful information on formatting, etc. Philippe (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

The Player category is only for major league players. Jeff (talk) 03:13, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

And please remove the "pre-MLB player" tag from anyone who played in the majors. It is to be used only for players who were active before 1871 and never played in the National Association, National League, or other major league. Thanks. Philippe (talk) 20:36, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

By technicality, anything before 1876 is pre-mlb Baseball Almanac tracks it that way and many sources I have seen count it that way too. The league that officially became the modern "MLB" was founded after the original National Association folded following the 1875 season.

The category itself even literally mentions the 1871-1875 NA in it and starts with the sentence "before the National League" which was founded in yep you guessed it 1876.

Let's also consider a lot of those guys were playing in the NABBP before 1871 too if you reeeeeally don't want to include guys who started playing before 1876 but after or during 1871 then I guess remove them.

-Gothy

I understand and applaud your enthusiasm, but you've just joined the community and cannot undo long-standing decisions just like that. Just like the main Baseball-Reference site, we consider the National Association to be a major league and those who appeared in it as major leaguers (they get the "Player" tag). So pre-MLB means before 1871. And just about everyone in the National Association was active pre-1871, so everyone would be double counted, which is not useful. Thus, the category was created to capture players who are notable but would not fit under either the "Player" or "Minor League Players" categories. By the way, before making a mass edit, you should discuss it with some of the regulars here, to avoid going off on a wrong tangent. Philippe (talk) 22:37, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

I will echo Philippe's sentiment that we appreciate the enthusiasm. We can use some active contributors. However, there's conventions in place. There are a few of us that have literally been here for almost 18 years (or actually more) expanding the Bullpen. If you see something that looks like a project.. ask questions. There's a pretty good chance someone knows why it hasn't been done. Sometimes it shouldn't be done, and sometimes there just hasn't been anybody working on it. There's a lot knowledge lurking around here, but we can always use more. Jeff (talk) 03:43, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

The reason I started adding these guys was because I saw a few guys like Ed Duffy and George Hall who played in and after 1871 who were already in it so there's a few guys that need to be removed too

-Gothy

Thanks for cleaning up the category. We haven't had many contributors whose principal interest was in that era of baseball before you came along, so there may still be inconsistencies within the category. Your additions are most welcome. Philippe (talk) 14:48, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

A couple of small things when creating pages: the "default sort" template should precede any categories, and there should be no space between the last name comma and first name. This ensures that names are alphabetized properly within categories. I'm not sure why that is, but it's how that template works.

BR Pages and Images

Regarding Images on BR pages, it's Sean Forman's team that is responsible for pulling the data together for those pages. User:Nicksr is our contact for technical issues, but he can get you in touch with whoever is responsible for putting up pictures. They probably work with one of the SABR databases of images, whereas some images on this site have been found by users like you scouring various sites, including old newspapers. Philippe (talk) 13:08, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

College Players

College players are not considered notable unless they have won a major award (e.g. Golden Spikes Award, Buster Posey Award, College World Series Most Outstanding Player Award or being named to the College Baseball Hall of Fame). Being an All-American is not sufficient. Some college players are notable because they have played for a national team in an important international competition, but that notability is gained because of their national team status, not because of their accomplishments in college. If in doubt, ask before creating a page (Mischa and Jeff are experts on international baseball and college baseball, respectively). Philippe (talk) 21:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Players from top amateur or professional teams before the formation of the National Association can be notable, like the person you mentioned. That's what the pre-MLB players category is for. Notability in this case would come from the existence of enough information to write a short bio: not just that John Doe was an infielder for the Baker Street Irregulars in 1863, but actual info about the man so that the article does not remain a stub in perpetuity. Philippe (talk) 13:13, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

By the way, given your interests, you should definitely think about joining SABR, and starting to follow the work of some of the organization's committees (principally Biographical Research and 19th century). All of the leading experts on the questions that interest you are members of SABR, and the organization exists to encourage collaborative research. Philippe (talk) 14:15, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Joining SABR does not imply becoming a full-time researcher. Only a tiny minority of members do that. It is a way for you to receive information on research work done by others, and exchange with other researchers as needed. It can all be done from your own home. The only travel involved is to the annual convention, but only a minority of members do that (I was a member for almost two decades before I attended my first convention in 2018), or to conferences in your area. There are local chapters all over the continent that organize local meetings where you can meet others who share your interests and who can help you with your own research efforts. Philippe (talk) 13:07, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Organizing National Association (1st version) players

I have never seen a comprehensive database of these players, so you would be threading into virgin territory. You would have to devise your own naming system; the one we use on B-Ref and in SABR only starts with the 1871 National Association, and does not cover its predecessor. This is precisely a case where being a SABR member would help: those most knowledgeable on these players will likely be members of SABR's 19th century committee, and establishing links with them would help you. It could also help you identify if anyone has already taken on such a project and whether you can build on that work. In the meantime, I would suggest simple naming conventions as in "Smith (1860s Brooklyn Eckfords)" or "Smith (1860s 01)". Philippe (talk) 13:13, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

For teams, if a name is already established here (such as Brooklyn Atlantics), use that and add whatever you want concerning its pre-National Association days to that page. You can note any alternative names there, and create the appropriate redirects as needed (e.g. from Atlantics of Brooklyn to Brooklyn Atlantics). For teams that have no page yet, use the name you find most appropriate. You should also note any alternative name in the article, and create re-directs as appropriate. Note that teams that only played in the first (i.e. pre-1871) Association, the category would be "Misc Leagues & Teams". Philippe (talk) 13:34, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

I agree that creating micro pages that only have extremely basic information about individual pre-MLB players is not particularly useful. A list as you suggest may be a way to go. What you need to think about is whether a simple alphabetical list is most useful. I like the idea of breaking it down by team. It doesn't matter that some rosters are incomplete: in such a project, the bits that are known will always be a lot less numerous than what we don't know. Preferably, you could work this out on the side, and only transfer it to the site once you've got a good handle on the project. Philippe (talk) 13:20, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Please comment on BR Bullpen:Featured Article Candidates/Arky Vaughan - Mischa (talk) 14:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

When adding images, please put the line {{clear}} before Biographical Information to help with formatting. Thanks for all your work - Mischa (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Nice to have someone adding CPBL players image. I had asked the League but not yet get the permission, baseball cards helped. By the way, if you know a player's birth date or death date, you can added that player's name to the date page's "Births" section, and your BR page linking also had some mistake - Rugosa1134 (talk) 10:46, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I had a look at your list of pre-MLB players. A couple of comments: right now, as a list of just names, it's not particularly useful. Plus, the idea of putting the last names only first, in no apparent order, is just bizarre. Tack them on at the end if you don't want to include them with the other, full names (but I notice there's at list one player about which the only info is the first name in that part of the list - strange again). And I'm not sure why you separate the "vans" from the rest of the "Vs". Anyway, such a list will be useful once you can add a few more columns next to each name, such as team(s), years active, and birth and death date if you have them. A table would be more appropriate than a bullet list for this. And yes, it is a major undertaking, which is why I recommended that you work off-site on this until it is ready for prime time. Philippe (talk) 08:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Not sure why the list is in a google doc, when a google sheet would be so much more useful. To Phillippe's point, the teams and biographical info could be added as columns and the information would infinitely more accessible. Jeff (talk)

I plan to make the Google sheet soon, the list of names was just made in a doc because I was on my phone and didn't have access to my computer so I'm not sure how it'd work or if it would on the phone and I wanted it to be like tidy when I do it. The list of unknown first names was because I wanted to find all them first to include in their own section because I know I'd probably forget them if I didn't do them first, then I went back and found all the ones with names, though I planned to put them at the end. As for the "Vans", I had one of my friends helping us with it too so I can assume she put them last because she forgot them or something. Obviously it's nowhere near done yet and I will continue to work on it more later tonight. Cody n Nelli (talk) 20:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

You edited the wrong Clarence Williams Jeff (talk) 05:14, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Well I was on the correct one and then my brother decided to randomly come into my room and do a full on wrestling move jump on me so it must have bumped it back to that page and i didnt notice so we can all thank him for that. Cody n Nelli (talk) 14:22, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Brothers are so helpful. - Mischa (talk) 16:32, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

If you look a few paragraphs above, I did suggest breaking your list down by team, as it makes more sense. Some teams will have received significant coverage (e.g. the Brooklyn ones) and you'll be able to identify their regular players fairly well; others received almost no coverage and were little more than pick-up teams. Membership in the pre-1870 National Association was so diverse that you will soon run into such differences. For the major clubs that have received significant coverage, the list of players could become part of the team page here - once it is more than just a bunch of names. Philippe (talk) 07:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I know. Lee was drafted by the Doosan Bears from Wonkwang University in the third round of the 2012 KBO draft, but he died in the spring training of the 2012 season. I deleted him because he never played in any professional baseball game, so he was not notable - Rugosa1134 (talk) 04:27, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

"Players who were signed by major league organizations", is Doosan Bears a major league organizations? - Rugosa1134 (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

If there is a watermark in the Frank Buttery image, do we permission to use it?? Jeff (talk) 05:34, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Got it. Thought you were saying there was a watermark on the original. Buttery played in 1800s, so the copyright would be expired anyway. Jeff (talk) 06:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Photo galleries: you should ask someone on the technical side of the site, i.e. user=Nickstr. He's with Sports-Reference LLC and handles such technical issues. Philippe (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Other mods around here may have different opinions, but the point of history is to not only remember the good, but the bad. While George Cuppy's (and others had it too) nickname is distasteful, that doesn't mean it wasn't a thing that happened. Reporting it with the approriate level respect is, in my opinion, preferable to erasing it altogether. Jeff (talk) 22:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Jim Creighton: I have no particular expertise in this area, but SABR does have a committee dealing with pictorial history [1]. These are the people you should contact with your question, and on that list, I'm familiar with Justin McKinney who shares many of your interests. Philippe (talk) 13:49, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Whenever you make a new page, it's a good practice to add links to the player from A) Schools attended B) Date of birth/death C) Place of birth/death

So, for instance, on Arthur Thomas, I am adding links to him from December 10, Washington D.C., August 8 and Trenton, NJ. - Mischa (talk) 10:56, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the site has been slow. They are aware of the issue. - Mischa (talk) 18:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I've unlocked Ron Liebman's article, since he is no longer around to cause a nuisance. I never had to deal with him personally, but he was particularly uncivil in dealing with Mischa and others, and we had to ban him from the site a decade or so ago as a consequence. Philippe (talk) 14:00, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Anthony McQuide

I found literally no references to "Anthony McQuide" in at newspapers.com between 1860 and 1899. Jeff (talk) 01:42, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Its more than likely that there was just no newspaper coverage of the team/league that he was playing in. And/or the paper that would have covered it is not included in the newspapers.com roster of papers. When you're talking about 1867, baseball is not a big thing. Nothing found for Andrew McQuade or Anthony McQuade either. Jeff (talk) 05:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

College baseball

I don't think adding the names of college baseball players is a good idea. These are non notable for our purposes, and you can't even argue that there's historical value to these lists, as there is for some pre-mlb players. If you want to contribute on the college baseball front, a lot of college pages don't have a list of alumni (i.e. "people who went here"). Those are actually useful, and comprise persons for whom we have articles. You should also check with Jeff about where work would be most useful, given he's our resident expert on college baseball. Philippe (talk) 15:31, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

BR - and the mother company Sports reference LLC - have the objective of being as comprehensive as possible in covering the sports they cover. So you will find things like stats for 14-year-old hockey players over on the Hockey-ref pages, and stats for college players on B-Ref, including some from pretty small colleges who hardly ever produce professional players. That is their decision, and I understand that there is some demand for such stats. However, here we are writing an encyclopedia and have had to define our scope, lest we completely lose control of the site. College players fall outside of it. Nothing stops you from starting your own site to cover that aspect of the game. Philippe (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

No random 14-year-olds from Europe in random tournaments - only players who appeared in either the European Championship or European Women's Championship are notable. I don't know of any 14-year-old who played in the European Championship. Maybe a lady or two played in the European Women's Championship when 15 or so. - Mischa (talk) 16:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Looking it over, it looks like random 14 year olds who slipped into women's national teams so i guess its more notable after looking it over The Goth Kids (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I don't see the point of listing names of college baseball players who are not otherwise notable. If you can identify those who did become notable, either by turning pro or by playing for some national team, then you could list them - and then preferably produce an article on each one so that you don't just add a bunch of red links to the page. We do list notable players on each College World Series page (but not everyone); these are mainly players who went on to appear in the majors, but there are also some minor leaguers who have a page on this site. That would be a way to go, and you could help by filling these out as they are incomplete. Notability criteria are there for a reason. Philippe (talk) 16:30, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I did not intend to have the names listed as links as they are not notable enough for a page, just like the pre-mlb players who arent notable enough for their own pages (their names are just listed in the same text im typing this in). Ultimately, just to have the roster listed at the bottom of each year's season would be good for historical documentation purposes. The Goth Kids (talk) 16:39, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I can work on minor leaguers too. The Goth Kids (talk) 16:52, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Tens of thousands of minor leaguers need pages. Also, many leagues are missing pages and many team pages are relatively scant on info. Lots of work there! - Mischa (talk) 17:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Hey, there's 2 of us goth kids (occasionally 3 when Nelli takes interest), so we can probably add tons of info to both minor league baseball and college. Ultimately our goal is to make sure nothing gets lost. Sure it'll take years probably but we don't plan on going anywhere so it'll be fine. The Goth Kids (talk) 17:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I have an idea. Since baseball reference appears to have only started tracking a lot of the college teams around the 2010s, I can maybe just do a page for each season since around then and then work on everything before that once i complete that. I will also add minor leaguer info too

Please look at the talk pages created on your new Miami Hurricanes seasons pages. I still think your energy would be better served in other areas, but if you're moving ahead with this project, it needs to be done properly. Jeff (talk) 20:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

I have edited the 2023 page to include the suggestions that were put forth. This can be used as a guide to go back and update the other pages. I have also updated the University of Miami page to link to these pages. Jeff (talk) 02:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Not a single one of the Clemson pages you created links to the school page. Nor do any of the other Miami pages except the one I did to show you. Jeff (talk) 13:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

OK I've now had a chance to look at some of the year pages you created. A few suggestions for improvements: you need a navigation box just like there are on pages for major league or Negro League teams and their season pages; you should add the position next to the player names and figure out some sort of ordering pattern for the names (either by position or alphabetically) - not just random order; you should add on each page how the team did in postseason tournaments (i.e. conference tournament, regionals, super-regionals, College World Series... whichever are relevant); and it would be useful to have a list of players drafted by mlb teams that year (e.g. Joe Smith, 2nd round, 2019 amateur draft, New York Yankees). On the main university page, in the yearly results table, you should change the plain year link to one that leads to the page(s) you have created. Philippe (talk) 16:32, 22 February 2024 (UTC) Ps, if, as I understand, there is more than one person using this account, you should all get individual accounts.

I will get to work on all that after class ends, and also Ellie mostly just helps me with researching stuff but doesn't really edit on here. She is also currently having a personal issue right now so she probably won't be helping me as much for a while. As for Nelli, she is starting to get back into baseball a little so maybe I can ask her. The Goth Kids (talk) 19:33, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the college pages project you have started is an enormous amount of work. I brought that up in the beginning. And really, there's a lot of work that needs to be done to make it right. Going back and fixing things is very tedious, so get it right the first time. Mischa, Philippe, and I have all commented on things we've seen. Linking to the individual pages from the main school page is important. Making sure that the pages all link back to the school page is important (The Miami and Clemson pages need to be updated). Being comprehensive is important (None of your page include the postseason tournaments yet). Navigating pages is impportant (you'll need navigation boxes). To your point about BR covering the college seasons, you need to add a link to the BR page on each page - i.e. 2023 Miami. Most importantly, it needs to be usable by visitors. There's probably a limited number of people who will use the 2017 Miami Hurricanes page, so is this the best use of energy? Jeff (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Here's the thing about the year-by-year results that are on the D1 schools, but not on smaller schools - it needs to be maintained. I'm the one that added them, and I'm the one who updates them every year. Keeping the D1 schools up to date is alot of work, so I haven't done the smaller schools because I'm not sure I have the time to do it every year. And if its out of date, it probably looks worse than if its not there. The contributor that created the Kinston pages is not around anymore, and there are some things that are not maintained anymore, so that's probably not the best look for us. I'm not trying to scrap any pages, but we need to makes sure when we add things, that they're worth being here. Jeff (talk) 19:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

If you noticed that which team’s player had photos, you will know it hahaha. The Uni-President Lions - Rugosa1134 (talk) 17:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Nice job adding images of old players! - Mischa (talk) 10:21, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! The Goth Kids (talk) 22:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Why does it say i am blocked?

It just stopped letting me edit any pages and it says"You have been blocked" despite it saying I never have been by any admins or anything. I dont understand if i did anything wrong and if i did i didnt mean to. Can someone help me? The Goth Kids (talk) 14:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Here is a screenshot of what it says https://ibb.co/nk4BsML

The Goth Kids (talk) 14:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

No idea. You don't show up as blocked. If nobody here knows, we'll have to check with Nick Pazoles at S-R - Mischa (talk) 15:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It appears to be working again after I waited 45 minutes or so. I have no idea what happened but its still being temperamental about letting me edit certain pages, while it doesnt give issue for others. The Goth Kids (talk) 15:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be something generated by Sports-reference. A virus of some sort? Philippe (talk) 18:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

My computer is virus-free and every other website seems to be working fine. Probably a glitch or something. The Goth Kids (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I doubt someone would hack this site of all websites lol

Back when the Bullpen started, we sure had our share of link-spammers until they made you create an account to edit the site. - Mischa (talk) 18:21, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

I think its always better to have a form of verification as well as making users create accounts just because its easier to keep up with things if something goes wrong. I remember what it used to be like on the fandom wikis back in like 2017 when they had to delete one because too many IP users were vandalizing stuff and the admins couldnt keep up. The Goth Kids (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Australian Women's National Team

Back in the early days of the bullpen, a user created pages for participants in one of the women's world cups (I believe it was the 2007 one), and for whatever reason those pages ended up as being garbled. This also affected members of other national teams. There was little actual data in the original articles, so it was a low priority to attempt to recover them. If you want to recreate one of these pages - not as a stub but as a real article - you should ask Nick at Sports-Reference to blank the page for you first. Philippe (talk) 11:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

The purpose of the "clear" template at the end of the first section of a player page is to ensure that the picture does not encroach on the "Biographical Information" section. When a page does not have a picture, you do not need to add it. Philippe (talk) 13:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I had intended to do so for the pages I added it too but fell asleep before I added all the ones I had saved.

Maybe you didn't notice it. I needed to know the source of your edit about Sung-min Cho as they were different with the reports I see- Rugosa1134 (talk) 14:48, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

This is the report I read about his message this one, but I also found another report said the things you wrote after searching. It seemed that he left two letters - Rugosa1134 (talk) 15:06, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

I see you're no longer sad, which is good. That said, can you provide additional details about that Win Mercer sheet music. It seems to be a composition in his honor, and if so, it would be useful to have the date it was published, since we do list prominent songs about baseball on each year page (see for example 1969. You should add at least a couple of sentences about this in Mercer's article. Philippe (talk) 14:11, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Images

If you took the picture, the correct template is {{PD-User|Your Name}} Jeff (talk) 04:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Happy birthday, 19th century Goth kid! Philippe (talk) 13:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Cody (talk) 14:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Win Mercer Sheet Music

Thanks for that Win Mercer sheet music. It seems to be a classical instrumental number, likely played on the piano. The page you posted on my talk page is relatively simple (a succession of six ascending notes, followed by three slower descending notes, rinse and repeat, with a steady left-hand accompaniment throughout), but I see on the Library of Congress site that it's a more complex piece from what I can make out from the rest of the score (note that I'm no musician either, but I can at least make out that much!). I can't seem to find anything else on the composer, though, or on the publisher, so it looks like the piece did not become a hit of any sort. There's no evidence that it was ever recorded either. Philippe (talk) 16:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The whole score can be found here: [2] Philippe (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 05:04, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

New signature test

does it work? 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 15:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes it does! 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 15:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Ellie

Glad she's doing better - Mischa (talk) 09:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

SABR

Great that you have joined SABR. I'm sure you will find all sorts of things to interest you in the organization. And if you make it to the annual convention in Minneapolis this August, I'll be there. Philippe (talk) 11:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

On the 19th century Committee's home page, three co-chairs are listed. I would suggest you just contact one of them, introduce yourself as a new SABR member with an interest in the 19th century, and ask if you could have a chat about what the committee is doing and how you could contribute. I see you can also check out the committee's most recent newsletters from that page. Philippe (talk) 12:21, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

And I saw your name in this week's SABR bulletin (which I hope you received as well). I guess you are officially a member. You should also be contacted by the director of membership in short order, who will also provide your name to your regional chapter leader. I think there's an active chapter in the SWB area, but I'm not 100% sure. Philippe (talk) 13:41, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I have received the email about an hour ago. I joined the groups almost immediately after I first got the subscription a few days ago so it only told me what I already did, and I am wondering how can I actually begin doing research stuff or sharing the things I wanted to look into with everyone? I sent a few emails days ago as well as tried to start connections on there and got no responses from anyone. Just by looking at the forums compared to the ones on the OOTP ones it looks like people rarely ever use them. Given that OOTP's are free obviously theres more but still only 1 or 2 posts every 4 years is not many. I tried to create a Yahoo account to join the '19CBB' group but it doesn't appear to exist and the facebook group appears to either not work or someone banned me from it. I just have so much to contribute and want to start already. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 04:25, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

SABR members tend to skew older as a demographic, so on-line forums are not that hot. There is a Listserve to which you should subscribe, where members ask for assistance with research (there are often questions about 19th century ballplayers). Most members tend to have a regular job and may not answer immediately when they get messages from persons they do not know, but you'll soon establish a network of friends and associates. Local chapter meetings and the national convention are great for that. Philippe (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there a place where I can find it? I'm not sure what a Listserve is exactly. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 14:15, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Here's the link for the SABR Listserve. [3] By the way, when you upload baseball card pictures as the main illustration for a player, the standard size is 150px. Philippe (talk) 19:17, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Signature

How did you create that signature? -Umbreon9^talk/_contribs 22:35, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! -Umbreon9^talk/_contribs 19:09, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure that card is not Anson? tcdb.com doesn't list an error, and they usually catch those things. I googled Anson and Pfeffer pictures to compare..I can't tell. The Anson page has a picture, so the card isn't important for our site. I deleted it. Jeff (talk) 15:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Here is another image of Pfeffer to compare. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Fred_Pfeffer.jpg

The image from the Anson card is also on Pfeffer's BR page and I think it's pretty clear just by looking at how different the two men's facial structures are, and the noses. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 16:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Guess I'm not the only one who noticed it! I found a whole blog talking about the error. https://wrigleyrosterjenga.blogspot.com/2015/06/no-false-ansons.html

𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 16:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

I usually didn’t write amateur league bio about Taiwan Baseball player due to some complex reason, the info is true, just didn’t valuable to write - Rugosa1134 (talk) 13:04, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Please comment on BR Bullpen:Featured Article Candidates/Seung-yeop Lee - Mischa (talk) 12:37, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Doing research for a SABR Bio Project Article

SABR makes a number of research tools available to its members, including Newspapers.com and others (see this page [4]). You can also get in touch with Jessica Smyth whose name and contact details are listed at the bottom of the page and who is in charge of membership services. Also, as a university student, you can probably access a lot of these sources through your institution's library. They normally have research librarians whose whole purpose in life is to assist researchers with such queries. I'm sure you've been told to avoid blogs as sources, given they are fundamentally unreliable, and instead to try to find the original material on which blog posts are based. Good luck! Philippe (talk) 12:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

I haven't used those tools myself, so I couldn't help either. I've managed to access the New York Times archives (and those of many Canadian newspapers) through my public library account. Did you try your university library? Philippe (talk) 12:19, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I can try at some point at uni 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 23:21, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

As I said before, your school likely has a subscription to newspapers.com and a reference librarian should be able to assist you in accessing the articles you need without going through the SABR proxy. If your school doesn't have access, try your public library. Philippe (talk) 19:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Thats what I meant that i tried at my uni and nothing happened. The public library is a good suggestion that may work. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 19:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Karan Patel

Check the changes I made to the bio (which is a good first effort, by the way). One major mistake you made is that you took the order of teams listed on his B-R page as being chronological. However, the site always lists teams from highest level to lowest. To find out how the player's season went, go to the bottom of the page, under "Teams Played For", where it will have the date of the first and last game played for each team (this only works for the last 20 years or so). Alternatively, you can look up the player's page on milb.com, which will have a complete list of transactions. This of course greatly changes the narrative regarding his 2021 season. Philippe (talk) 14:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Joe Doyle

Now that you've changed Joe Doyle from a redirect to its own page, you need to fix every page that links to Joe Doyle. Jeff (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Actually... Joe Doyle should really be a disambig. Slow Joe Doyle, Jacob Doyle, and your pre-mlb Joe Doyle should be on a disambig. Jeff (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Site maintenance

The image problems are a site-wide issue which we have raised with Nick Pazoles, who was responsible for the site update. Philippe (talk) 00:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

Please comment on BR Bullpen:Featured Article Candidates/2015 World Series - Mischa (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

The Show roster

"Had former World Series champion, Benny Ayala compliment my custom MLB The Show 19th century rosters". Which version of The Show? -Umbreon9^talk/_contribs 01:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Take care Cody. Your contributions are appreciated, but make sure first that your life is under control. Philippe (talk) 17:16, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll be on here occasionally still, just not as much. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 18:45, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Site traffic

This is not my area of expertise. You should speak about this to Nick Pazoles or Mike Lynch from Sports Reference. Philippe (talk) 12:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Cuba

Sorry about the delay; I was off for a couple days due to Rosh Hoshanah and then the Sabbath. The Cuban Winter League refers to the 19th Century and 1900-1961 leagues. They were a pro circuit and starting in the 1900s regularly featured US players like other winter leagues. The Cuban national league (not the name I would have chosen; that was from MichaelEng, who invented those pages) refers to the various post-1961 Cuban leagues, which are all amateur or semipro and are exclusively Cuban in player composition. Hope that clarifies. - Mischa (talk) 00:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Try not to separate the final three categories on player pages (debut, birth and death). Cause of death should go before debut. Philippe (talk) 20:13, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Adminship

I made you an administrator. You should be able to delete categories now. - Mischa (talk) 16:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

No clue re: the password. I think you need to ask nicksr - Mischa (talk) 16:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

I would suggest that chaperones are distinct from coaches. I think "Other personnel" is fine, or you could do "AAGPBL chaperones", I guess. - Mischa (talk) 00:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

A result of your good work over the past few months. Use your powers wisely! (not that there are too many of them) Philippe (talk) 20:48, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

AAGPBL

I'm no expert on women's baseball, but "other personnel" seems to be an appropriate category for these folks. I assume they did not perform any on-field duties, which would make them coaches. Philippe (talk) 13:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

A coach is someone who wears a uniform and assists the manager by providing instruction for the team's players. A chaperone is someone who accompanies players off the field to make sure they don't get into trouble. A coach can act as a chaperone, something that hasn't completely disappeared - think about the current role of "accountability partners" who help players trying to kick a substance abuse problem -, but his or her main role is coach (and a category such as "AAGPBL coaches" would be appropriate for these). If the person's only role on the team is to look after the players' off-field conduct, then he or she falls under "other personnel". Philippe (talk) 13:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Data tracking

I checked the console, and it does not call google-analytics API's, which are the default. Unless the web devs pulled some code of off github. -Umbreon9^talk/_contribs 00:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Take what time you need to take care of yourself. We'll see you whenever you are ready to contribute here. - Mischa (talk) 16:18, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Well it's been a while and well... it's certainly been something. I've decided to not let the actions of one bad person dictate my life and have begun therapy sessions which I have been going to these past 2 weeks. Then I ended up in the hospital and was diagnosed with kidney issues. And nearly got crushed when a giant tree fell right by me. But hey, I'm alive, and not giving up and that's what matters. Yes it still hurts a lot and my emotions have been very out of it as a result of all that's been happening as well as my health interfering with the pressure of getting my final exams completed as well so I apologize if my rational mind has been.. lets say, non existent lately. I can't guarantee I'll be on here a ton because it's been very on and off but the fact that I am feeling well enough to be on here right now certainly means I'm making progress right?𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 06:29, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Glad to see you're getting better Cody. Philippe (talk) 15:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Well I hate to say it but in the most ridiculous circumstances, I may not be consistantly on here, as the second... the VERY SECOND I seemed to be improving, a person whom I was close with ended up having a cousin who perpetrated a school shooting in Wisconsin last night and I still can't even process it. I feel shocked, horrified, upset and sick to my stomach all night. I don't even have words. No one I know was involved with it as far as I can tell but this has really got me rattled unlike anything I ever felt in my life. I can't begin to comprehend why this is all happening to me. I can't say when I will be on here, as sometimes when I get really distressed, I'll either obsessively edit on here for upward of 10 hours straight or disappear for a while. Right now, I am going to just go to sleep as reality settles in. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 08:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

It's just a coincidence, Cody. A sad one, to be sure, but it does not involve you in any meaningful way. Plus there was nothing you could have personally done to prevent this. Philippe (talk) 14:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)