User talk:PatrickMSullivan

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Thanks for creating some content about minor league ballparks. Keep it up. I've added internal links and changed some phrasing to be less casual and more encyclopedic. Also, please note that photo credits should be on the image's page, not on the page where it is used. Philippe (talk) 13:49, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! My real work demands I write to the common person, but I'll try to be more formal. I have lots - something written on more than 250 parks including all that were active between 2011 and 2019. I've seen games in every current and many historic minor-league stadiums, which is how this "hobby " started. After I upload all of that I may just get to work researching other historic parks and adding them in. I used to do this for MapMuse, and I turned that data into the book I published last year. I kept the data up since the publishing because of MapMuse, but it has unfortunately gone dark for whatever reason. I kept the data current in the hope of finding some other use for it, and maybe just to stay in the know. I was (selfishly) pleased to see that some of the minors' parks were way out of date; I'm starting by finding those whose names have changed and updating that while adding my (edited) content. It's just a matter of finding the time to input and upload it all - this is more coding than I'm used to, but I think I'm getting the hang of it. I haven't made a point of pictures and would have to learn how to upload them. I may have accidentally separated the photo and photo credit you mention; there were pix in most if not all of what I re-worked yesterday. I'll try to avoid doing that. One thing I've wondered - would it be OK to add a stadium name/link to the text box of the year-by-year entries for the teams that played in them? (Another massive undertaking - but would it be a good service to the user?) Now let's see if I've figured out how to sign one of these: PatrickMSullivan (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Keep it up, Patrick. I'm going through your additions adding some internal links, etc, but keeping all of what you wrote. For pictures, you must first upload them to the site (see the "upload file" button normally in the left hand column next to the active window. You can then add them to a specific page using simple coding (see how it's done on any page featuring a picture for an example). Credits and so on go on the page where the picture is uploaded. For most minor league teams, we do not have seasonal pages, so the main place where the ballpark name is mentioned is at the top of the team page, below affiliation history, with years in use (many, many are missing, so your help there is welcome). Please don't hesitate to ask any me any other questions you come up with. Philippe (talk) 16:53, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Philippe. My apologies for my long absence; I've been reworking my 250-odd stadiums for use here. In their previous use, most entries had some mix of stadium and team history; I'm trying to separate those to post stadium stuff in the stadium and maybe add some of my leftover copy to the team entries. Also, I was about to edit Pohlman Field in Beloit when it reminded me I've been meaning to ask in advance: What's in a name, and how do we handle it? There is more ... fluidity ... to stadium names than I'd have thought until I got so into this. 1) There are a few places where the team and the (usually local municipal) stadium owner don't agree on a name - e.g. Stockton Stadium v. Banner Island Ballpark. 2) There's the issue of which or either or both when there are separate field and stadium names - e.g. Scotiabank Field at Nat Bailey Stadium. 3) If a stadium is named after a person, should the first name be used? I hesitate to change names because it will change alphabetization, but I think there should be as much uniformity as possible. (For example, I just had to use the search function because I was trying to find "Pohlman Field" rather than "Harry C. Pohlman Field".) What I settled on in MapMuse was to defer to the stadium's main signage, because that's what folks see there. Will that work for you? I want to hold off on Pohlman pending your answer, but I did just make one edit updating some outdated material.

I think for the stadiums, its usually best to just use the most common official name, with redirects. i.e. Pohlman Field is a redirect for Harry C. Pohlman Field. Jeff (talk) 03:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
I agree. Philippe (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jeff and Philippe - That was my original belief, but the question becomes what's official. I was floored when I went to a Stockton Ports game and saw the signage read STOCKTON STADIUM - because all the literature I'd seen (including the team website) said it was Banner Island Ballpark. And I reflected - well, wouldn't the owner have the right to decide the name? And isn't the owner the city of Stockton? Meanwhile, it took me a while to realize the new (2012) stadium in Pensacola didn't even HAVE a name! There were at least three other similar cases, not to mention the field/stadium names like Vancouver, and eventually I settled on what the fans see - the actual signage - as the most logical way to have a consistent policy. I have been to every one (I didn't have the option of redirects in my previous usage, and they will be a useful tool, but I still think it would be best for the name people see the same name on the stadium and at the top of our entry.)

Don't remove the [[ ]] from pages. These create links to other pages. ''' ''' does not create links. It only Bolds text. Jeff (talk) 01:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, with regard to teams, I suggest recognizing and clarifying the recent wholesale changes to Minor League Baseball with a standardized opening phrase that would act as a bridge: This former International League franchise/city/club ... do you like that idea?

Yes, that can work. There's a rumor that the new league names (i.e Double A-Northeast) are just placeholders and that new names, likely sponsored one, will be announced at some point. Philippe (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

I remember reading that, Philippe, and in the same piece that it was an ongoing argument inside MLB. That was in January, and I assumed - but there's that word - that the decision had been made when teams started coming out with schedules calling their circuits by the new names. (IMO they're boring - funny thing is, I used to joke and jibe about the MANY contradictions between the old names and the league makeups.) Now that you mention it, it does seem possible this could still be under discussion. I wouldn't think they'd change during mid-season, though, do you?

You know, I'd forgotten that article mentioned sponsored names. That says they could even change again.

To get back to the names issue, sometimes, as you explain, it's hard to figure out what the official ballpark name is. Try to use the one on the team's official website (they always have a tab that shows their ballpark's seating plan, dimensions and directions for getting there). If even that includes more than one name, or no name at all, pick the one you deem most appropriate (your suggestion of going by the physical signage is a good one), and create redirects to it from the other variants you can find. Philippe (talk) 14:55, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey Jeff, I only removed - or at least only intentionally removed - [[ ]] when they go around something that shows in red instead of blue. Doesn't that mean the target is gone? PatrickMSullivan (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

If its red, that means there's nothing at that page. But that doesn't always mean it shouldn't be linked. If its notable, and we do need to create the page at some point, its fine to have a "broken" (i.e. red) link. Jeff (talk) 02:18, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you. The irony is I put [[]] around Quint Studer thinking he'd have an entry and pulled them when he popped up red. If we BR does anything with minors owners, he probably deserves one. PatrickMSullivan (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, we have pages for over 200 minor league owners - see Category:Minor League Owners - Mischa (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Cooper Stadium[edit]

Patrick, could you merge CooperStadium, which you just created, with Cooper Stadium, which already existed, i.e. take the new info you added and move it into the appropriate places in the existing article. You can then delete CooperStadium, as it's a typo. Thanks. (You can delete this when done). Philippe (talk) 01:41, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that almost immediately and saw this message right after I finished editing them together. Apologies, I forgot the _. How do I delete a page?

It's under the More option at the top right-hand part of the page. - Mischa (talk) 13:00, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanx! PatrickMSullivan (talk) 23:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)