Talk:No-hitter

Should we move this into a category?

That way we could add all of the pitchers with no hitters (and maybe the dates) to the category.

Just a thought.

I did that with Category:Two Grand Slams in a Game

No-Hitters by Stadium

Can you come up with a list of no-hitters by stadium? Trying to figure out which stadium has hosted the most no-hitters. I know Fenway Park has showcased around 13 or so.

Thanks, Mike

No-Hitters definition

While MLB has the right to define and sanction no-hitters as it chooses, I take issue with the idea of an "MLB" no-hitter being only one thrown in the NL or AL, and excluding the NA, AA, UA, PL, and FL from that umbrella. While the separation of "less than 9 innings" no-hitters, etc. is irksome, it is less irksome than saying that the no-hitter wasn't as "official" because it was pitched in a league that is now defunct. -- Couillaud

I think it makes sense to exclude the NA as this is generally not considered a major league. I know Bill James argued that the UA isn't either but most lists of major leagues I've seen include it. We should merge the AA, PL, FL and UA into the major league list.

Also, what about lists for different minor leagues? I have a list from the Mexican League for 1937-2000.

- --Mischa 12:12, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

The National Association was considered a major league until the 1968 Records Committee demoted it. The prime reason given was its odd scheduling practices, but in reality it was simply because records were not readily available. David Q. Voigt argued that the NA was demoted for political reasons, in that it was a league run by the players, as opposed to the ownership model in every other league (including the PL). I really believe that it was more to do with the fact that they had to have the first Mcmillan Encyclopedia out in 1969, and the NA represented several more years of heavy research to complete (as it DID take several years of dedicated SABR research to fill in all the blanks), and they found it more convenient to redefine the subject rather than actually address it.

The Turkin-Thompson encyclopedia (which was the "official" encyclopedia of baseball until before Mcmillan) always treated the NA as an equal of the NL, but T-T didn't have nearly as many statistical categories as Mac did. -- Couillaud 14:25, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I had grown up with the Mac and wasn't aware that the NA was once deemed a major league nor all the politics behind it. - --Mischa 15:15, 17 September 2008 (EDT)

I dug out my Turkin-Thompson books (I bought the 1974 and '79 editions when they were out, and got a 1956 edition on eBay), and they start their "History of Baseball" with the opening of the National Association. They do NOT include it in their "Yearly Leaders" section, but they mention in their preface that the official records of the NA were destroyed in a fire before work began on the encyclopedia (they started in 1947). Yearly standings are listed without any distinction betweeen the NA and NL, and the career statistics (which are admittedly scanty) likewise show no distinction between the leagues.

Mac was created by the ICI group (led by David Neft, and the release of the book also was preceded by a series of decisions by a "Baseball Records Committee", which had to make decisions about sudden-death homers (Babe Ruth was was given a 715th HR and then it was taken back), retroactive saves and RBI, and of course, what leagues qualified as "major"; UA was in, NA was out. The explanation given was "due to its erratic schedule and procedures", but a more likely reason was the fact that its official records were lost and rebuilding them was a major problem. SABR rebuilt the stats in the 1990s, and has occasionally lobbied the Commissioner's Office to review the NA's status, but MLB hasn't had any new major Records Committee meetings since the early 90s (before the project was completed), when they "officially" took away Maris' asterisk (an odd decision, as the first BRC in 1968 had made the same decision) and screwed up the no-hitter definition. Early editions of Total Baseball (1 through 4) had partial data on the NA, but since its fifth edition (1997), TB has carried the complete data after purchasing it from SABR.

This has been a pretty lengthy digression on my part, but it is an effort to explain why the decision that the NA wasn't at the level of the NL was and remains a bit controversial, and why Joe Borden's no-hitter in 1875 can arguably be called the first major league no-no. I believe that MLB, should they convene another BRC (of which I believe there have only been two so far), the NA will get consideration -- Couillaud 12:18, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

If anyone wants a big project:

IL No-hitters Southern League no-hitters

- --Mischa 16:46, 3 April 2012 (EDT)

For an even bigger project minor league no hitter database --Biggtone23 00:30, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

Wow. That would be one huge page. Maybe it should be broken down by league, at least for the ones that have been around for decades. Ex. Eastern League no-hitters, NYPL no-hitters, etc. - --Mischa 08:56, 3 May 2012 (EDT)

That might probably make more sense to divide it by level of play, i.e., the PCL, AA, and IL at the top level. -- Couillaud 12:51, 6 May 2012 (EDT)

That works too. Just one big list would be too much. - --Mischa 12:20, 7 May 2012 (EDT)

Should the two Caribbean Series no-hitters go on here somewhere? - Mischa (talk) 16:34, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes they should. I'm just not sure where. The Caribbean Series are neither a minor league nor an international competition, and we don.t have a list of winter league no-hitters. It may deserve its own list. Philippe (talk) 14:19, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

What league was Carlos Macia's no hitter in? I have a hard time following the difference between Cuban Leage/Cuban National League/Winter League/whatever it was called in its early stages. I am trying to know which list to add his into. 𝕮𝖔𝖉𝖞 (talk) 17:22, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Cuban Winter League. We don't have a list of no-hitters in that league yet, though I think one could draw one up relatively quickly using the books by Peter Bjarkman or Jorge Figueredo; IIRC, at least one of these mentions every CWL no-no. - Mischa (talk) 18:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)