User talk:Soxrock/Archive 1

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1. September 2007
2. October 2007
3. November 2007
4. December 2007

Changes from the usual

Any major changes by a new shooter should be discussed by the long term contributor group. I have been a user only a little over a year and have found it much easier to get along with new ideas and changes if everyone knows what is going on. --Dugout 22:28, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Pages

Why move all the Yankee seasons? The main BR page for the 1911 Highlanders links to 1911 Highlanders, not to 1911 New York Highlanders season. --Jeff 21:19, 6 August 2007 (EDT)

Some pages you're creating are redundant with existing pages. For instance, 1901 in baseball is covered under 1901 and its subpages (1901 AL, 1901 NL, etc.) and the "in baseball" part is not needed as everything here is baseball-related. Why not just add the new material to those pages instead of reinventing the wheel? - --Mischa 09:49, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Links

Please, please, please don't copy and paste from wikipedia. The 2007 Yankees entry had lots of things that needed to be fixed - links to non-existant pages because of different formatting (Jeffrey Karstens instead of Jeff Karstens), terms that are unneeded here (hit (baseball) instead of hit. Here, all hits have to do with baseball) and terms that we don't need to define (American dollars - not notable). We're getting all links of "bad links" that don't need to be there - and as in the 2007 Yankee page, you erased a good link to Karstens' page with a bad one. This stuff went unfixed for days. If you make an entry for both sources (as some people here have done), please be sure to adjust the links, categories, etc. when doing so. - --Mischa 12:33, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

No problem with copying and pasting pages you made on wikipedia here, but please fix the links as you copy information over. - --Mischa 12:50, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

A belated welcome BTW. I'm sure lots of people are glad to see yet another new contributor; there just seems to be concern about not trying to make pages fit in here and recognizing the differences in formatting, links, etc. vis-a-vis wikipedia - --Mischa 12:51, 7 August 2007 (EDT)

Can you please fix all the bad links on the AL standings pages you've added? I've fixed a couple but don't have the time to do dozens of them. Why link to Minnesota Twins when you mean Washington Senators? Also, wouldn't it make more sense to link directly to 1927 Yankees instead of the Yankees in general if the page refers to the 1927 edition of the team? This is why people get upset when folks directly copy wikipedia material - it's so poorly done and needs lots of editing. - --Mischa 12:19, 8 August 2007 (EDT)

Moving pages, creating new standard formats

Before moving pages en masse or erasing standard headers in favor of new ones that you prefer, can you please bring the topic up for discussion so other contributors can voice their opinions? It'd be a lot easier than having to revert changes later if unpopular or having rollback wars. - --Mischa 09:11, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree that almost all the changes have been good. I just think before major changes are done, they should be discussed (for instance, how best to name team pages - 1999 Red Sox, 1999 Boston Red Sox, 1999 Boston Red Sox season, etc. - opinions may vary. I personally would prefer the second but this is the kind of thing that should be hashed out in discussions). You can bring up items on the related talk page or the What's Happening page. I think all the energy you're putting in is certainly appreciated and will make the Bullpen a better place. - --Mischa 12:13, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

Baseball articles

Hi Soxrock! You might remember me from Wikipedia. I just created an account here and hope to use it some. Nice talking, Jj137 19:27, 12 August 2007 (EDT)

Wikipedia copying

If you're copying stuff from wikipedia, please, please, please edit it. It's a lot harder to go back for others and try to edit dozens of articles when some simple editing up front would make things easier. Also, please put the wikipedia template tag on articles copied from there that you haven't written. - --Mischa 12:57, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

I appreciate the time and effort you're putting in, but just want you to pay more attention to a lot of the "red links" that show up. Also, for the stubs, I don't think it'd be a good idea to copy the wikipedia content to here, given the number of errors that they seem to have. Let people develop their own articles here. After all, what's the use of having duplicate pages? I like it that the Bullpen and Wikipedia can both have comprehensive but different articles on the same subject. - --Mischa 13:09, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Fair use images

Fair use images should be low resolution. For most logos, having the longest side measuring 200 pixels is usually large enough. --MichaelEng (talk) 02:42, 16 August 2007 (EDT)--

Highlanders

The 1903 through 1911 "New York Highlanders" pages are redirecting to themselves now. --Jeff 13:14, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

You're losing consistency, i.e. 1901 Boston Beaneaters vs. 1901 Boston Americans season. We voted in your little poll, but the 1901 Boston Americans season page isn't consistent with that. Neither are the Yankee/Highlander pages. I've been going behind you and fixing double redirects, but with the recent 1903-1911 edits, you just redirected those pages to themselves. --Jeff 13:25, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Copying info for stubs from wikipedia

I'd again like to advise against this proposal, for two reasons: 1) There is no need to duplicate what's on anotber website already. The info at wikipedia is already available on the web - we should be seeking to add new content, not duplicate existing content. 2) Wikipedia has lots of errors. I don't know where you get your 9 out of 10 rating for them, but almost every page people have copied here has had errors. The all-time Yankees and Expos rosters were loaded with typos and people who never played for those teams. Some of the calendar entries copied over had incorrect information. The Yankees seasons information had the wrong managers listed several times. The Futures Game all-time roster listed wrong years for many players. Etc., etc. Especially if you're copying things en masse, it's hard to catch these errors. I'd rather err on the side of adding information at a slower rate than risking wikipedia style errors. - --Mischa 14:00, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

Yet another reason I'd advise against this is because something similar was tried briefly. Sean had a few of the Hall of Famer player pages copied over thinking it would spur more info - it didn't. People generally like to work on blank or limited information articles, not well-established ones. I really don't see the point of adding stuff from wikipedia. The best case you've presented is improving google ranking. So what? I'd rather have accuracy and unique information than a high google ranking.

BTW, in terms of the incorrect information on the Yankees wikipedia pages, they certainly weren't derived from B-R, like Jack Chesbro being originally listed as the 1908 manager, something that does not show up on BR. - --Mischa 14:56, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

You should be using the wikipedia tag (ex. {{Wpedia|wikiarticle=Josh Gibson}}) for articles copied from wikipedia that you did not personally write. - --Mischa 15:07, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

I think the point overall is to avoid "copy and paste". This site is independent from wikipedia, therefore material in the Bullpen should be written for the Bullpen. --Jeff 15:12, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

The main page talk is a good place to raise the issue re: copying things, I think. - --Mischa 15:19, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

In my comment, I may have spoken a little out of turn. The recent lists that have been added are all redundant with pages on the main BR site. However, the three HR list isn't, so I think that page is worthwhile. However, the category on that page at the time was a Wikipeia category. It should have been changed when the page was copied .... I mean added to this site. --Jeff 19:20, 22 August 2007 (EDT)

Season templates

The 1993 Red Sox redirects to 1993 Boston Red Sox - you don't need to change it in the Boston Red Sox Seasons template as this is just extra work for you. - --Mischa 19:39, 26 August 2007 (EDT)

Identical names

There are a few ways to find names shared by multiple players. You can look at the disambiguation pages link from the special pages section. You can type in the name into the Bullpen or into the main BR page also. HTH. - --Mischa 08:23, 27 August 2007 (EDT)

Current teams in the header

I didn't see a need to add DiFelice's team to the header.

1) The other 20,000 or so player pages don't have this. 2) It requires constant editing to remain accurate, especially for players who are shuffling between AA and AAA or AAA and the majors. 3) This kind of information is in the body of the text in a complete article - see Hunter Pence or Reid Brignac for instance. - --Mischa 20:32, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

If you do it for all current veterans at once as you clarified, I think it makes more sense. - --Mischa 21:05, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

Featured article

We only have been changing the featured article about every 6-8 weeks. It's due for a change. I'm trying to fine-tune Martin Dihigo, which was agreed to be a good pick. - --Mischa 21:21, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

A daily featured article would be a great step but I don't think we're ready for that yet. Hopefully we can reduce the turnaround time to 3-4 weeks then to 1-2 weeks then to a couple times a week and finally daily. - --Mischa 21:27, 28 August 2007 (EDT)

I agree with your last message exactly. - --Mischa 21:35, 28 August 2007 (EDT)