Talk:Hall of Fame

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Proposed move to Baseball Hall of Fame (or even [[National Baseball Hall of Fame]] as the museum in Japan is also known by that name) and to disambiguation page as we have seven or eight pages that could claim the title of "Hall of Fame" or its spanish equivalent "Salón de la Fama". --MichaelEng (talk) 11:33, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

I think that 99% of readers would think of Cooperstown when they hear Hall of Fame. Very few people call it the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. - --Mischa 11:58, 28 March 2007 (EDT)

Does anyone have the qualifications to be considered for the Hall? Every year some dolt will write "Travis Fryman? Why is he up for the Hall of Fame?" I'd like to have the numbers that get one's name on the list in the first place.

Would it be appropriate to copy and paste the rules of election on to the page? I know in general we are aganist copy and paste but in a case like this where the specific language can be important. --Biggtone23 17:37, 5 January 2009 (EST)

How about post the link to the qualifications? - --Mischa 19:45, 5 January 2009 (EST)

The length of time a player could stay on the BBWAA ballot has varied throughout history… From 1946- 56, the rule was that a player must have been active at some point in the 25 years prior to the election – it was increased to 30 years from 1956-62, and has been 20 since then - Found this on their around the horn newsletter and havent figured out a way to include it in the article yet. --Biggtone23 19:19, 9 October 2009 (EDT)

Should be called Hall of Cronyism. Why is Pie Traynor in it and not Barry Bonds? Jesse Haines but not Roger Clemens! --Umbreon9

Because Bonds and Clemens used steroids. Haines is part of the friends-of-Frisch club profiled in Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame. Traynor was widely considered the top third baseman of his era; whether this is accurate is debatable. He benefits both from the overvaluing batting average and ignoring era effects of the 1920s, like teammate Lloyd Waner - Mischa (talk) 17:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

And Traynor ranks below Hall of Fame levels on Black Ink, Grey Ink, Hall of Fame Monitor, Hall of Fame Standards, career War, 7-year peak WAR, and JAWS. -Umbreon9 (talk) 18:01, 23 February 2024 (UTC) As for Clemens and Bonds here's a quote from former BBWAA president Susan Slusser:

Senseless to keep steroid guys out when the enablers are in the Hall of Fame.

Past mistakes are not valid arguments for future Hall of Fame worthiness. Jeff (talk) 18:04, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

It's a historical precedent. -Umbreon9 (talk) 18:12, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

No. Its a museum. And its made mistakes. Players don't get to skate in "because that guy didn't belong, and I'm better". I frankly agree that Bonds and Clemens should be in. But they need to get there based on their own accomplishments. Pointing to players who got in for the wrong reasons is an invalid point. And the reality is that the bullpen is here to document history, not argue for or against it. Jeff (talk) 18:27, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
In Whatever Happened to the Hall of Fame, Bill James reviews this as one of the many bad arguments used for players to get into the HoF. - Mischa (talk) 19:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, James also said that Lefty O'Doul shouldn't be in the Hall. He didn't have the sort of analytical talent he exhibited in later books of his. ANY player with SUPERIOR career numbers to ANY Hall-of-Famer belongs in. Frankie Frischs selections lowered the standards, but his new floor IS THE FLOOR. Also, Clemens took HGH, not steroids. -Umbreon9 (talk) 18:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

O'Doul is not in the Hall. And James argued against that lowered standards argument. The bullpen isn't the place to put the people in the Hall. We're here to document history. Jeff (talk) 19:10, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
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