Talk:Steroids
I question the wording of the section talking about the BALCO group. Bonds has not admitted to using the clear inadvertently; he admitted to using a substance that somebody else claimed was the clear, but he hasn't made any admission of that himself. Meanwhile, Giambi's admission (if you accept the leaked testimony) is much more than "some limited use". He admitted to using HGH and several different steroids over a substantial period before he ever came in contact with BALCO, and more stuff from BALCO after that. I also STR that there were several other lesser names associated with the BALCO mess. --Roger 20:07, 7 Jun 2006 (EDT)
Isn't the new section about Thomas and Schilling entirely supposition and opinion? - --Mischa 08:24, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
It seems that way to me. OTOH, it would be good to make some mention that there are players who have spoken out strongly against steroid use, and that steroids are a rare area where the MLBPA's unity has cracked. --Roger 19:02, 1 September 2006 (EDT)
No, the new section about Thomas and Schilling is NOT supposition and opinion. It is mere fact that Thomas, Schilling, and Griffey were the only major stars who spoke out strongly against steroids. If you are referring to the statement that in the future historians will honor them, that is clearly supported by past history. Mathewson became a hero when he opposed the tawdry acts that happened in the 1910's, as Bill James has shown in the first version of his Historical Abstract. - Randy 19:46 1 September 2006 (EDT)
Palmeiro spoke out against them pretty vocally too. Why not include him? - --Mischa 12:19, 3 September 2006 (EDT)
For obvious reasons. Actually, I recall him speaking out against steroids only in Congress, not on various occasions prior to that, like the others did. Of course, there is the possibility that the others might have used steroids even while they were speaking out against them, but why would you voluntarily be a spokesman against steroids while using them? In Palmeiro's case, it was different. - Randy 16:11 3 September 2006 (EDT)
"There is no question that the biggest problem facing baseball today is the increasing use of drugs. .... I do know that one player using drugs is one too many.." - Written by Billy Martin in Billyball .... in 1987. Some things never change.
I think he was talking about recreational drugs. This was written in the wake of the Pitssburgh drug scandals. --Philippe 15:19, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
And yet, the comment is still relevant. --Jeff 15:23, 26 March 2008 (EDT)
McGwire should be mentioned. - --Mischa 12:22, 12 January 2010 (EST)
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