Both teams score more runs than hits
Posted by Andy on November 16, 2009
Here's another use of the arithmetic function in the new version of the PI. In this case I did a team batting finder search and looked for games where both teams had more runs than hits. It hasn't happened very often:
| Rk | Tm | Opp | Date |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | FLA | LAD | 2009-05-17 |
| 2 | DET | OAK | 2007-08-10 |
| 3 | TBD | TOR | 2002-07-20 |
| 4 | BAL | BOS | 2001-08-12 |
| 5 | CLE | KCR | 1999-06-26 |
| 6 | BAL | OAK | 1999-04-25 |
| 7 | BAL | CHW | 1998-04-29 |
| 8 | ARI | STL | 1998-04-14 |
| 9 | PHI | MON | 1997-04-19 |
| 10 | BAL | TOR | 1995-07-02 |
| 11 | OAK | SEA | 1989-07-29 |
| 12 | CIN | SFG | 1977-06-30 |
| 13 | CAL | MIN | 1976-07-04 (2) |
| 14 | HOU | SFG | 1975-05-04 (2) |
| 15 | CAL | BOS | 1966-04-30 |
| 16 | BAL | NYY | 1960-04-24 |
| 17 | MLN | CHC | 1956-07-08 |
These are the only 17 such games since 1954. In case what I mean is not clear, let's look at the situation with #1 above, a game played this past May between the Marlins and the Dodgers.
The Dodgers won 12-5, scoring 12 runs on 11 hits. The Marlins themselves scored 5 runs on 4 hits.
Each team scored runs without too many hits but my different mechanisms. In the case of the Dodgers offense, they walked all day long against the Marlins pitchers, totaling 8 bases on balls. John Koronka also made two errors, both allowing runs to score while the batter got to first base. In the case of the Marlins, they didn't get many hits or walks all day. In the 9th inning, they grouped 3 hits and a walk to score 4 runs on a grand slam (after the game was already out of hand). Their other run came on a double, groundout, and sacrifice fly. There you have it--4 hits and 5 runs. They didn't have any other hits in the game.
Number 11 on the list above was an interesting game too. Randy Johnson started and issued 7 walks in 6 innings. The Oakland pitching staff was even more generous, issuing THIRTEEN walks in 9 innings. The Mariners also made 3 errors. All that adds up to lots of runs without hits.
Number 16 is the only game in which neither team issued more than 5 walks. Both teams used some home runs combined with walks to score runs. The Orioles managed 9 runs on only 6 hits!
Would you believe that 4 of the games above (numbers 2, 3, 4, and 6) featured both teams scoring at least 10 runs?
November 16th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
That's pretty gnarly, and also is there any way to find the most runs minus hits by one team? For example, the Yankees score 17 runs on 5 hits, a difference of 12.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Also can you find the most the other other? Like a team has 15 hits by 0 runs?
November 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
We can't search exactly as you asked because we don't yet have the capability to search for plus and minus operations. However, check here:
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/2qjKv
Those are all the games since 1954 in which a team scored at least twice as many runs as it had hits. The first game, from 1955, looks like the record (post 1954 of course) with the Browns scoring 16 runs on just 8 hits, a differential of 8. They received 12 walks. The next closest games are a few instances of a differential of 6.
The post-1954 record for most hits without scoring a run is 13, and it has been done (coincidentally) 13 times since 1954.
See here:
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/YZtnC
November 16th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
I got a question for you guys:
In the following chart (hopefully you can see it) why is it if you look at the parameters, there are different clubs in the first spot? They are all games at Pittsburgh but some games list other clubs first and some games list the Pirates first.
It can't be road at home or winner then loser...
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/p84UN
November 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
It looks like the team that lost the game is listed as the team, and the team that won is listed as the opponent, Dave.
November 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Dave, if I had to guess, I'd sat that it's alphabetical. In all cases, the teams are listed alphabetically. The purpose of the search is to find games in which both teams meet a set of criteria--since both teams meet the same criteria, there's no real basis for sorting them, so I'm guessing Sean put alphabetically by default. I could be wrong since I'm not the guy who wrote the code--but that's my guess.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I already told him, the losing team is listed as the team and the winning team is listed as the opponent. Please read the other comments before responding, An Man.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
ImAShark, perhaps this is why you got banned. I read your message--you are simply wrong. Check out, for example, game #5 on Dave's list. Phillies were the winners. You can't simply check 2 or 3 data points and then think you know the answer. You're not smarter than the rest of us put together.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Those are some crazy games in terms of comebacks and big innings.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
The all-time record for most hits in a 9-inning shutout loss is 14, by the Giants, 14 September 1913, against the Cubs, and by the Indians, 10 July 1928, against the Senators [provided. of course, that my books are accurate]. The record for extra-inning games is 15, done three times: Braves, 10 July 1901, against Pirates, 12 innings; Red Sox, 3 July 1913, against Senators, 15 innings; and Braves, 1 August 1918, against Pirates (again!), 21 innings.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
I didn't know that I got banned.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
And thanks Gerry.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Thanks to me putting my gnarly mind to work, I have come up with the answer: On September 9, 1955 in the 2nd game of a double header, the Brooklyn Dodgers scored 16 runs on only 8 hits, a difference of 8. The only other differences of 7 were the San Francisco Giants on April 16, 1962 (19 runs on 12 hits), the Kansas City Royals on April 6, 1974 (23 runs on 16 hits),the Baltimore Orioles on June 5, 1989 (16 runs on 9 hits), the Boston Red Sox on April 12, 1994 (22 runs on 15 hits), and the Texas Rangers on April 19, 1996 (26 runs on 19 hits). This is the 1954-2009 record, I don't know what the pre-1954 record is.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I already posted that in #3 above.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
What you posted was teams that doubled their hit totals in runs, but I posted any team that had at least 7 more runs than hits.
November 18th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I got the last comment in, so I win this brawl.
November 18th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Yeah, sorry, I meant to post an admission that I misinterpreted your comment...thanks for your research.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
It's okay, just let me get the last post and I will stop responding to this.