All of a team’s hits (or both teams’ hits) are XHB
Posted by Andy on November 17, 2009
This is another study that was done a while ago using the old version of the PI. It's much easier to do with the new version.
Using the Team Batting Game Finder and my favorite new feature, the arithmetic criterion, I have done several searches setting H = XBH (extra base hits) to achieve the following results.
Anyway, since 1954, a team has had all of its hits go for extra bases a total of 901 times.
Rk | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | XBH | RBI | BB | IBB | SO |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 2009-09-09 | CIN | COL | L 3-4 | 35 | 31 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 11 |
2 | 2009-09-07 | PIT | CHC | L 2-4 | 31 | 28 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 10 |
3 | 2009-09-07 | MIL | STL | L 0-3 | 29 | 27 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 10 |
4 | 2009-09-04 | NYY | TOR | L 0-6 | 31 | 28 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 9 |
5 | 2009-09-03 | PHI | SFG | W 2-1 | 30 | 28 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 12 |
6 | 2009-08-29 | CHW | NYY | L 0-10 | 30 | 28 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 6 |
7 | 2009-08-20 | SEA | DET | L 6-7 | 34 | 30 | 6 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 6 |
8 | 2009-08-04 | SDP | ATL | L 2-9 | 34 | 31 | 2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 8 |
9 | 2009-07-29 | CIN | SDP | L 1-7 | 30 | 27 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 4 |
10 | 2009-07-23 | TBR | CHW | L 0-5 | 27 | 27 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 |
11 | 2009-07-17 | NYM | ATL | L 0-11 | 31 | 28 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 |
12 | 2009-07-10 | SDP | SFG | L 0-8 | 28 | 28 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 |
13 | 2009-06-29 | SDP | HOU | L 1-3 | 31 | 28 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 8 |
14 | 2009-06-25 | MIL | MIN | L 4-6 | 34 | 31 | 4 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 8 |
15 | 2009-06-21 | OAK | SDP | L 1-4 | 30 | 29 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 8 |
16 | 2009-06-19 | BOS | ATL | L 2-8 | 32 | 29 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 11 |
17 | 2009-06-19 | FLA | NYY | L 1-5 | 31 | 31 | 1 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 8 |
18 | 2009-06-18 | BOS | FLA | L 1-2 | 17 | 17 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
19 | 2009-06-10 | COL | MIL | W 4-2 | 41 | 31 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 9 |
20 | 2009-06-08 (2) | DET | CHW | L 1-6 | 30 | 29 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 |
21 | 2009-06-05 | ATL | MIL | L 0-4 | 32 | 28 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 7 |
22 | 2009-05-29 | MIL | CIN | W 3-2 | 30 | 25 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 4 |
23 | 2009-05-25 | TEX | NYY | L 1-11 | 33 | 31 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 7 |
24 | 2009-05-20 | PHI | CIN | L 1-5 | 32 | 29 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 10 |
25 | 2009-05-19 | TEX | DET | L 0-4 | 30 | 28 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 8 |
Rk | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | XBH | RBI | BB | IBB | SO |
26 | 2009-04-29 | PIT | MIL | L 0-1 | 31 | 30 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 12 |
27 | 2009-04-29 | HOU | CIN | L 0-3 | 30 | 28 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 7 |
28 | 2009-04-22 (2) | BOS | MIN | W 7-3 | 34 | 27 | 7 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 7 | 4 | 0 | 9 |
29 | 2009-04-19 | ARI | SFG | L 0-2 | 28 | 25 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 9 |
30 | 2009-04-11 | COL | PHI | L 4-8 | 32 | 31 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 9 |
31 | 2009-04-08 | MIL | SFG | W 4-2 | 34 | 31 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 8 |
These are the 31 times from just 2009. Right away you'll notice that most of these games were losses. That makes sense--if all your hits are for extra-bases, there's a good chance that you didn't get a lot of hits. It's pretty hard to have 7 or more hits all go for extra bases and it's tough to win games with 6 or fewer hits.
In 2009, teams achieving this "feat" went 5-26 (.161). It's easy to find the overall record in such games since 1954 by limiting the searches to just wins or losses. Since 1954, teams have won 189 such games while losing 712 games (.265 winning percentage.)
The highest number of hits in game where all hits were XBH was 9:
Rk | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | XBH ▾ | RBI | BB | IBB | SO |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1998-08-18 | ATL | SFG | W 8-4 | 38 | 31 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 8 | 4 | 1 | 1 |
2 | 2002-09-18 | STL | COL | W 8-5 | 38 | 35 | 8 | 8 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 8 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 2 |
3 | 2004-07-02 | SFG | OAK | W 7-3 | 37 | 30 | 7 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 4 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 2 | 1 |
4 | 2006-06-30 | MIN | MIL | W 8-2 | 36 | 32 | 8 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 7 | 8 | 4 | 1 | 5 |
5 | 2001-09-26 | OAK | ANA | W 3-1 | 32 | 30 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 7 |
6 | 2003-08-10 | BAL | BOS | W 5-3 | 35 | 33 | 5 | 6 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 7 |
7 | 2006-04-05 | KCR | DET | L 3-14 | 33 | 33 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 11 |
8 | 2006-06-29 | WSN | TOR | L 4-8 | 33 | 32 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 6 |
9 | 2007-08-05 | CHW | DET | W 3-1 | 36 | 27 | 3 | 6 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 6 | 2 | 4 |
10 | 2008-05-18 | MIN | COL | L 2-6 | 34 | 32 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 9 |
11 | 2009-06-10 | COL | MIL | W 4-2 | 41 | 31 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 9 |
As has been noted on this blog a few times by bloggers and readers alike, game #1 on the above list is highly notable as not only the most hits in a game where all hits were extra-base hits, but also because all nine of the hits were doubles. Notice that in these 11 extraordinary games, the teams went 8-3 (.727) meaning that in games with 5 hits or fewer they went 181-709 (.203.)
Again as has been mentioned elsewhere, since 1954 there have been 4 games where all the hits in the game (by both teams) were extra-base hits. These are really easy to find by doing the same kind of Team Batting Game Finder search but clicking on the bubble near the top to sort by greatest number of teams matching the criteria.
Rk | Tm | Opp | Date | #Matching |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | CLE | DET | 2007-08-21 | 2 |
2 | CHC | LAD | 1965-09-09 | 2 |
3 | BAL | KCA | 1964-09-12 | 2 |
4 | BAL | CHW | 1956-06-21 | 2 |
The 3 older games were all 1-0 scores and the game from 2 years ago was a 2-1 game. Not surprisng.
I ran a bunch of other searches looking just at games where all of a team's hits were singles. Since 1954 there have been 19,139 such games. Of those, 3,860 were wins and 15,253 were losses, yielding a win percentage of .201. It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed. Makes them sound like food groups.
Rk | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | PA | AB | 1B | R | H ▾ | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | SO |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | 1988-06-03 | LAD | CIN | W 13-5 | 50 | 45 | 22 | 13 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 3 | 1 | 8 |
2 | 1973-05-24 | LAD | NYM | L 3-7 | 82 | 71 | 19 | 3 | 19 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 3 | 7 |
3 | 1992-09-11 | DET | BOS | L 6-7 | 47 | 39 | 18 | 6 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 5 |
4 | 1984-07-08 | LAD | STL | L 6-8 | 55 | 50 | 18 | 6 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 6 |
5 | 1984-05-10 | CLE | NYY | L 6-7 | 68 | 61 | 18 | 6 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 7 |
6 | 1978-09-10 | NYY | BOS | W 7-4 | 47 | 38 | 18 | 7 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 8 | 0 | 3 |
7 | 1973-06-18 | LAD | ATL | W 13-3 | 43 | 41 | 18 | 13 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 2 | 1 | 4 |
8 | 2004-08-31 | KCR | DET | W 9-8 | 46 | 42 | 17 | 9 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 3 | 0 | 6 |
9 | 1993-04-11 | CIN | STL | W 4-3 | 43 | 41 | 17 | 4 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 7 |
10 | 1986-04-30 | SFG | PIT | W 6-5 | 57 | 46 | 17 | 6 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 7 | 3 | 6 |
11 | 1985-06-11 | SFG | ATL | W 5-4 | 79 | 65 | 17 | 5 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 10 | 2 | 15 |
12 | 1982-06-19 | NYY | BAL | W 4-3 | 64 | 59 | 17 | 4 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 3 |
13 | 1982-05-03 | NYM | LAD | W 6-3 | 54 | 47 | 17 | 6 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 8 |
14 | 1979-08-06 | KCR | TOR | W 16-12 | 52 | 42 | 17 | 16 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 7 | 0 | 2 |
15 | 1979-05-31 | SFG | LAD | L 10-12 | 48 | 42 | 17 | 10 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 5 | 0 | 9 |
16 | 1970-09-08 | KCR | CAL | W 12-0 | 45 | 40 | 17 | 12 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 5 | 0 | 6 |
17 | 1969-05-30 (1) | WSA | CHW | W 5-4 | 45 | 42 | 17 | 5 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 5 |
18 | 1966-05-14 | NYM | SFG | W 11-4 | 43 | 37 | 17 | 11 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 4 | 0 | 4 |
19 | 1959-07-10 | CLE | CHW | W 8-4 | 42 | 38 | 17 | 8 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 2 | 0 | 5 |
20 | 2002-08-20 | TOR | KCR | L 5-6 | 55 | 51 | 16 | 5 | 16 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 8 |
Here are the most hits in games where all of a team's hits were singles. Man, games #2 through #5 were some bad luck! Getting 18 or 19 hits and still losing is rough.
Finally, of those 19,139 times that team has had all its hits go for singles since 1954, more than 2,000 of the occurrences came in the same game when both teams achieved it. In fact, there have been 1,026 games in which that's happened.
Here are the 13 times it happened in 2009:
Rk | Tm | Opp | Date | #Matching |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | SDP | SFG | 2009-10-03 | 2 |
2 | TBR | TOR | 2009-09-19 | 2 |
3 | LAD | SDP | 2009-09-04 | 2 |
4 | DET | TBR | 2009-08-29 | 2 |
5 | PIT | SFG | 2009-07-29 | 2 |
6 | NYM | WSN | 2009-07-21 | 2 |
7 | CIN | WSN | 2009-06-11 | 2 |
8 | BAL | OAK | 2009-06-07 | 2 |
9 | COL | SDP | 2009-05-29 | 2 |
10 | MIL | STL | 2009-05-25 | 2 |
11 | ATL | STL | 2009-04-28 | 2 |
12 | MIL | NYM | 2009-04-18 | 2 |
13 | PIT | STL | 2009-04-09 | 2 |
The teams achieving the feat went 13-13 in these games. (That's a little humor for you...)
November 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Let's say you took that Tampa game listed in the final chart. Tampa and the opponents both got only singles in that game but there are also 10 other games where Tampa got just singles.
It would be great if we could look at just one team and have some chart that says "both teams" and then "just this team"
Ya know...there should be a mark in single team searches that says "in this game, the opponent also had what you're looking for. Both teams did it"
November 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am
You're 901 games includes 140-odd no-hitters. That will skew the winning percentage a bit.
"It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed. Makes them sound like food groups."
My guess is that its easier to get all of one kind if the overall number is smaller.
November 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Just for fun, doing these searches led to to find these:
http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/RmB7T
Four perfect games broken up by errors (ouch)
November 17th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
People that subscribe to PI should get their own section here for posting what they find.
I find stuff then want to post it up but I can't so I have to "highjack" another person's finds to put what I came up with (kinda like now)
That ain't right.
November 17th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Regarding the perfect games broken up by errors - I was listening to the Phillies game on the radio the night that Randy Johnson pitched his perfect game. The Phillies announcers initially reported it as a no-hitter and then read his line, which included no walks. My immediate reaction was, "Who made an error?" A moment later, the word came across that it was indeed a perfect game.
November 18th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Comment #5 reminds me that when Kevin Millwood threw his no-hitter I was moving from one city to another and was in the moving van, driving. I can't remember what game I was listening to--it might have been that game or it might have been another game and they were giving regular updates. I was moving across the country but I can't remember what part of the city I was in right around the time that game was ending, 4pm eastern-ish.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am
"It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed. Makes them sound like food groups."
It's bad because if you had all XBH or all singles, you probably didn't have that many hits. If you flip coins and they all come up "tails", there's a good chance that you didn't flip too many coins.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am
"This is another study that was done a while ago using the old version of the PI. It's much easier to do with the new version."
I don't get why this was difficult with the old version. All you had to do was set "1B = 0" and "XBH >= 1".
November 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
User jkseq1 made the following observations in a comment that got deleted:
"You make a misleading (actually, wrong) statement when you say "It's interesting that getting either all singles or all extra-base hits is bad. It's getting a combination of both that is needed." All things being equal, getting all extra-base hits is certainly not "bad." The average MLB team gets 8.95 hits per game, and if those 9 hits were all for extra bases, it would most certainly be good, not bad. (The one team on your list, the '98 Braves, who hit the 9-hit mark with all XBH's scored 8 runs). The problem is, in the 31 games you list*, the average H is only 2.6. The problem has nothing to do with the one-sidedness, but rather, the paucity of hits. There is nothing in your analysis that shows that a mix of singles and extra bases is qualitatively better for an offense, only that such games are far more frequent than games which are not mixed."
* I have to agree with #2 above, if you are finding games where "a team has had all of its hits go for extra bases" then you need to take out no-hitters, or else restate your proposition slightly.
For the record, XBH's are currently about 34.1% of all hits, so if you did a scatter graph that's about where the center of gravity would lie, with a whole lot of 0's at one tail and a few 100's at the other.
November 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
statboy, you are correct on all accounts. These studies were all do-able with the old version of the PI except for finding games in which both teams achieved the feat. I stand corrected.
And for the criticism of my comment about getting all XBH or all singles being bad, I was making an oversimplified statement. Thank you both, statboy and jkseq1, for expanding on this. I meant only that in historical games, teams that got all of one type or all the other didn't win very much, and I suppose that's so obvious from the results and the statistics that it was a dumb thing for me to say.