3+ Games In A Row Vs. Bosox Allowing 6+ ER
Posted by Steve Lombardi on August 7, 2011
Since 1919, how many pitchers have allowed 6+ earned runs in a game, three times in a row or more, when facing the Boston Red Sox?
Here is the list -
| Rk | Strk Start | End | Games | W | L | GS | CG | SHO | GF | SV | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | WP | BK | Tm | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | George Caster | 1940-07-02 | 1941-07-31 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15.2 | 45 | 40 | 37 | 7 | 10 | 9 | 21.26 | 0 | 2 | 0 | PHA-SLB |
| 2 | Joel Pineiro | 2004-05-28 | 2005-05-13 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 20.2 | 31 | 26 | 26 | 12 | 18 | 6 | 11.32 | 2 | 1 | 0 | SEA |
| 3 | Chad Ogea | 1997-04-16 | 1998-07-16 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15.0 | 32 | 28 | 27 | 8 | 10 | 4 | 16.20 | 2 | 0 | 0 | CLE |
| 4 | CC Sabathia | 2011-05-14 | 2011-08-06 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 19.1 | 24 | 19 | 19 | 6 | 17 | 2 | 8.84 | 2 | 1 | 0 | NYY |
| 5 | Radhames Liz | 2008-07-12 | 2009-04-20 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6.0 | 18 | 23 | 23 | 7 | 4 | 3 | 34.50 | 3 | 0 | 0 | BAL |
| 6 | Mike Norris | 1979-05-13 | 1980-06-16 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16.2 | 30 | 23 | 21 | 7 | 11 | 5 | 11.34 | 1 | 1 | 0 | OAK |
| 7 | Bob Feller | 1951-06-18 | 1951-07-28 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 19.0 | 20 | 18 | 18 | 13 | 8 | 4 | 8.53 | 0 | 0 | 0 | CLE |
| 8 | Alex Kellner | 1950-08-15 | 1950-09-25 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 18.0 | 39 | 28 | 24 | 9 | 7 | 4 | 12.00 | 0 | 1 | 0 | PHA |
| 9 | Dick Fowler | 1949-09-10 | 1950-06-29 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 14.0 | 23 | 24 | 21 | 10 | 3 | 2 | 13.50 | 1 | 0 | 0 | PHA |
| 10 | Fred Hutchinson | 1948-07-15 | 1949-05-03 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17.2 | 26 | 20 | 20 | 8 | 6 | 4 | 10.19 | 0 | 1 | 0 | DET |
| 11 | Jim Walkup | 1937-07-14 | 1938-05-07 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 22.0 | 38 | 24 | 23 | 10 | 6 | 4 | 9.41 | 0 | 2 | 0 | SLB |
| 12 | Tommy Bridges | 1936-06-08 | 1936-07-25 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 18.1 | 26 | 18 | 18 | 9 | 7 | 4 | 8.84 | 2 | 2 | 0 | DET |
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With his work yesterday, CC makes this list now an even dozen.
August 7th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Jim Walkup is a magnificent name for a pitcher. And how on earth did Bob Feller win 2 of 3?
August 7th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
While this post was obviously inspired by CC, he probably has the best line on this list.
He's tied for the second best ERA and I'm guessing the 2011 run environment is higher scoring than the others; K/9 of over 8; he's let up just 2 HRs; he went at least 6 IP in each game. I'm actually a tiny bit surprised that he didn't win any of these games, given that the Yankees have a potent offense themselves and it isn't outside the realm of possibility for a Yankee pitcher to go relatively deep into the game, let up a lot of runs, and still win.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
It's fun re-reading pre-steroid revelation items:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/earlier-versions-ootp-general-discussions/153912-batter-aging-speed-etc.html
"Here's the thing: Barry Bonds, Randy Johnson, and Roger Clemens are unprecendented. They've posted the best years ever recorded by 40+ players (and not, btw, because of the DH rule)."
lol.
August 7th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
In all 4 pitching wins the sixth run was scored in the 9th inning. In Feller's two wins the score was 8-2 and 8-4 after 8 innings. In his loss he was taken out in the second. In Norris' win it was 10-5 after 8 and Bridges' win it was 7-5.
August 7th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Hmmm... no White Sox on this list. The other six of the original 8 are represented, however, along with one (only one?) expansion team.
August 7th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@ 1: Because it's Bob Feller.
August 7th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
This is the second Jim Walkup, for those who are interested in players with the same name. I believe they were unrelated.
August 7th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
@2
BSK, it doesn't negate your point about Sabathia's quality, but the run-scoring environment in 2004-05 was considerably higher than this year, particularly 2004. In 2004, the ML average runs per game was 4.814, this year, about 4.230, a 12.1% reduction.
August 7th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Two-thirds of the streaks spanned two seasons. The single-season ones are a little more interesting because of the potential effect on the pitcher's psyche by the third start.
Given the potent Boston offence this year, there are likely a few more pitchers poised to join this list before the end of the year. Division rivals, like Sabathia, are the most likely candidates.
Ricky Romero, for one, has lost twice to the Sox this year, 6-0 and 9-1. Two blips on an otherwise pretty solid season.
August 7th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
@9.
The same season 3-game streaks are Ogea, Feller, Kellner and Caster.
The 4th game of Caster's 5-game streak (and 4th game in 1940) was a relief appearance, where he allowed 9 ER in 2.1 innings. Maybe that's when he got his nickname of "Ug" ?
August 7th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@10 Hey Doug - Congratulations!
If my calculations are correct, you posted the 50,000 comment of the blog!
August 7th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
@11
Raphy, what does he win? A year's free subscription to BBef's play index? 🙂
August 7th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
@12 As far as I know, I'm the only one who noticed, and I have no power to give him anything other than a round of applause and a heart-felt congratulations.
So Doug, enjoy your fame, but unfortunately without the fortune.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Walkup had a 7.36 ERA in 1937 (in 150 IP), so his performance in those games against the Red Sox wasn't that far out of line with the rest of what he was doing.
Also, I suspect the 2011 run environment is no higher scoring than the 1936-37-38 American League environment of Bridges and Walkup.
August 7th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
@13.
Thanks, Ralphy.
I'm speechless.
August 8th, 2011 at 1:23 am
I'm guessing the 2011 run environment is higher scoring than the others
Not just 2004. 2011 is down in the low-moderate range historically. I know 1950 was much higher scoring and without checking I'm pretty sure most of those seasons were.
August 8th, 2011 at 2:05 am
@1 @6. I agree completely.
August 8th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Thank you for highlighting one of the most useless Orioles pitchers (tough to do, there are so many candidates for that unworthy distinction) with Radhames Liz. Look at that - managed to walk 7, hit 3 batters, and give up 23 ER in 6 innings! Any position player could come in and do better.
Amazingly he tried to be even worse than a 34.50 ERA. In 2009 he made his season debut by relieving with the bases loaded, giving up a grand slam on the first pitch for an ERA of infinity. Unfortunately he eventually recorded some outs to bring that ERA down.
CC Sabathia should be ashamed of himself for being on the same list as Liz.
August 8th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Other pitchers besides George Caster who gave up 6+ ER to the same team in five consecutive appearances:
Glendon Rusch, 4/1/98 to 6/13/01, against the Orioles
Kenny Rogers, 4/18/00 to 6/4/04, against the Yankees
Darryl Kile, 9/18/97 to 8/22/00, against the Pirates
Esteban Loaiza, 6/5/02 to 9/20/02, against the Devil Rays (!)
August 8th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
@19.
That's quite a feat for Loaiza, to get shelled by the same team 5 times in a row, in only three-and-a-half months.
Talk about a team having your number.
August 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am
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