“Roll Projector!” Jose Reyes Still on Historic Pace
Posted by John Autin on June 7, 2011
[Stats have been updated through games of June 14.]
Projecting the full-season stats for Jose Reyes, based on the Mets' first 67 games (franchise record holders in parentheses):
- 235 Hits (Lance Johnson, 227)
- 46 Doubles (Bernard Gilkey, 44)
- 27 Triples (Lance Johnson, 21)
- 7 HRs
- 80 Extra-base hits (Carlos Beltran and Howard Johnson, 80)
- 356 Total Bases (David Wright, 334)
- 53 SB
A few Play Index searches turned up the following old-timey facts:
(1) 27 Triples? The only modern player to hit that many 3Bs in a season was Chief Wilson, who set the all-time record of 36 in 1912. (That's not the only 1912 connection for Jose, as we'll see in a moment.)
(2) 356 total bases ... with just 7 HRs? As we'll see, that wouldn't be just a Mets club record for total bases; it would be the all-time MLB record for most Total Bases with 7 HRs or less. Here are the top 10:
Rk | Player | TB | HR | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | HBP | SH | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Shoeless Joe Jackson | 337 | 7 | 1911 | 23 | CLE | AL | 147 | 641 | 571 | 126 | 233 | 45 | 19 | 83 | 56 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 6 | 41 | 0 | .408 | .468 | .590 | 1.058 | *98 |
2 | Ty Cobb | 335 | 6 | 1917 | 30 | DET | AL | 152 | 669 | 588 | 107 | 225 | 44 | 24 | 102 | 61 | 0 | 34 | 4 | 16 | 55 | 0 | .383 | .444 | .570 | 1.014 | *89 |
3 | Earle Combs | 331 | 6 | 1927 | 28 | NYY | AL | 152 | 724 | 648 | 137 | 231 | 36 | 23 | 64 | 62 | 0 | 31 | 2 | 12 | 15 | 6 | .356 | .414 | .511 | .925 | *8 |
4 | Shoeless Joe Jackson | 331 | 3 | 1912 | 24 | CLE | AL | 154 | 653 | 572 | 121 | 226 | 44 | 26 | 90 | 54 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 15 | 35 | 20 | .395 | .458 | .579 | 1.036 | *98 |
5 | Paul Waner | 329 | 6 | 1928 | 25 | PIT | NL | 152 | 697 | 602 | 142 | 223 | 50 | 19 | 86 | 77 | 0 | 16 | 5 | 13 | 6 | 0 | .370 | .446 | .547 | .992 | *93 |
6 | Ty Cobb | 323 | 7 | 1912 | 25 | DET | AL | 140 | 609 | 553 | 120 | 226 | 30 | 23 | 83 | 43 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 8 | 61 | 34 | .409 | .456 | .584 | 1.040 | *8 |
7 | Billy Herman | 317 | 7 | 1935 | 25 | CHC | NL | 154 | 735 | 666 | 113 | 227 | 57 | 6 | 83 | 42 | 0 | 29 | 3 | 24 | 6 | 0 | .341 | .383 | .476 | .859 | *4 |
8 | Lloyd Waner | 317 | 5 | 1929 | 23 | PIT | NL | 151 | 726 | 662 | 134 | 234 | 28 | 20 | 74 | 37 | 0 | 20 | 9 | 18 | 6 | 0 | .353 | .395 | .479 | .874 | *8 |
9 | Jesse Burkett | 317 | 6 | 1896 | 27 | CLV | NL | 133 | 647 | 586 | 160 | 240 | 27 | 16 | 72 | 49 | 0 | 19 | 7 | 5 | 34 | 0 | .410 | .461 | .541 | 1.002 | *7 |
10 | Cecil Travis | 316 | 7 | 1941 | 27 | WSH | AL | 152 | 663 | 608 | 106 | 218 | 39 | 19 | 101 | 52 | 0 | 25 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | .359 | .410 | .520 | .930 | *65 |
(3) 50 Doubles/20 Triples? Jose has fallen slightly off 50-doubles pace (now on track for 46). Only Stan Musial ever had 50+ 2Bs and 20+ 3Bs in a season. Here are the most doubles in a 20-triple season:
Rk | Player | 2B | 3B | Year | Age | Tm | G | PA | AB | R | H | HR | RBI | BB | SO | HBP | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
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1 | Stan Musial | 50 | 20 | 1946 | 25 | STL | 156 | 702 | 624 | 124 | 228 | 16 | 103 | 73 | 31 | 3 | 7 | 7 | 0 | .365 | .434 | .587 | 1.021 | *37 |
2 | Stan Musial | 48 | 20 | 1943 | 22 | STL | 157 | 701 | 617 | 108 | 220 | 13 | 81 | 72 | 18 | 2 | 17 | 9 | 0 | .357 | .425 | .562 | .988 | *978 |
3 | Joe Kelley | 48 | 20 | 1894 | 22 | BLN | 129 | 638 | 507 | 165 | 199 | 6 | 111 | 107 | 36 | 5 | 0 | 46 | 0 | .393 | .502 | .602 | 1.104 | *7 |
4 | Joe Vosmik | 47 | 20 | 1935 | 25 | CLE | 152 | 688 | 620 | 93 | 216 | 10 | 110 | 59 | 30 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 1 | .348 | .408 | .537 | .946 | *7/8 |
5 | Adam Comorosky | 47 | 23 | 1930 | 24 | PIT | 152 | 685 | 597 | 112 | 187 | 12 | 119 | 51 | 33 | 4 | 0 | 14 | 0 | .313 | .371 | .529 | .900 | *78 |
6 | Heinie Manush | 47 | 20 | 1928 | 26 | SLB | 154 | 697 | 638 | 104 | 241 | 13 | 108 | 39 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 5 | .378 | .414 | .575 | .989 | *7 |
7 | Lou Gehrig | 47 | 20 | 1926 | 23 | NYY | 155 | 696 | 572 | 135 | 179 | 16 | 112 | 105 | 73 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 5 | .313 | .420 | .549 | .969 | *3 |
8 | Ty Cobb | 47 | 24 | 1911 | 24 | DET | 146 | 654 | 591 | 147 | 248 | 8 | 127 | 44 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 83 | 0 | .420 | .467 | .621 | 1.088 | *8 |
9 | Honus Wagner | 45 | 22 | 1900 | 26 | PIT | 135 | 580 | 527 | 107 | 201 | 4 | 100 | 41 | 17 | 8 | 0 | 38 | 0 | .381 | .434 | .573 | 1.007 | *9/5431 |
10 | Sam Thompson | 45 | 21 | 1895 | 35 | PHI | 119 | 576 | 538 | 131 | 211 | 18 | 165 | 31 | 11 | 5 | 0 | 27 | 0 | .392 | .430 | .654 | 1.085 | *9 |
(4) 20 Triples / 50 Steals? Jose is on pace for 27 3Bs and 53 SB. Only 2 modern players ever had 20+ 3Bs and 50+ SB in a season:
Rk | Player | 3B | SB | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | HBP | SH | CS | Pos | ||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Ty Cobb | 24 | 55 | 1917 | 30 | DET | AL | 152 | 669 | 588 | 107 | 225 | 44 | 6 | 102 | 61 | 0 | 34 | 4 | 16 | 0 | .383 | .444 | .570 | 1.014 | *89 |
2 | Ty Cobb | 24 | 83 | 1911 | 24 | DET | AL | 146 | 654 | 591 | 147 | 248 | 47 | 8 | 127 | 44 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 11 | 0 | .420 | .467 | .621 | 1.088 | *8 |
3 | Ty Cobb | 23 | 61 | 1912 | 25 | DET | AL | 140 | 609 | 553 | 120 | 226 | 30 | 7 | 83 | 43 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 8 | 34 | .409 | .456 | .584 | 1.040 | *8 |
4 | Lance Johnson | 21 | 50 | 1996 | 32 | NYM | NL | 160 | 724 | 682 | 117 | 227 | 31 | 9 | 69 | 33 | 8 | 40 | 1 | 3 | 12 | .333 | .362 | .479 | .841 | *8 |
And lastly....
(5) 50 Doubles/20 Triples/50 Steals? I'll spare you another table, since those above make it clear that this particular 50/20/50 combo has never been done. Reyes is on pace to be the first.
Now for the sort-of-disclaimer: Do I really think Jose Reyes will get 356 total bases? Well, no. But he did have 327 total bases in 2008, while hitting just .297. If he maintains his current .346 BA and stays healthy (on pace for 155 games), then the total bases aren't really outlandish. His current ratio of XBH to Hits (34%) is not unprecedented for him.; he matched that figure for the 3-year span 2006-08.
So, can a career .286 hitter suddenly hit .346 for a season? Surely he can; every year, we see some veterans exceed their career BA or BAbip by 50 points or more. And don't forget that Reyes is operating in a home park that seems very much to his liking: in 120 career games there, he has slashed .324/.378/.506, with 33% of his hits going for extra bases. Finally, his current high batting average is partly supported by a decline in strikeouts; he's is on pace for 60 strikeouts, after averaging 82 Ks per 162 games in the past. It's not as nutty as it may sound (I hope) ... and until the Mets give me a better hope to believe in, I'm believing in this one!
(At least until he's felled by the Curse of Wilpon.)
June 9th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
"Classic" Center-stage? really! Why not just have Michael Kay recite his favorite christmas presents from age 4 on.
Can you say Smaltz.
Or how about a list read aloud from a pre-recorded tape made on Bob Shepard's death bed of George Steinbrenner's random thoughts on botany.
June 9th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@100, Neil -- Sorry for spoiling your challenge. I didn't want to be too controlling. My wife hates it when I withhold a crossword answer....
June 10th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Holy Moley....if a pitcher gives up a triple and subsequently throws a ball past the catcher on his next pitch then he is in the same situation as if the previous batter homered. In that case how would a triple be worse for the pitcher than a HR?
June 10th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
319 avg, 9 hr, 22 3b, 51 2b, 59 sb
these his stats shall be
it has been declared!
June 10th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
@104, Jason -- Where can I bet a 5-way teaser on the "under"? 🙂
June 11th, 2011 at 9:16 am
[...] “Roll Projector!” Jose Reyes *is* on an Historic Pace (Baseball-Reference). Never mind Reyes, did you know that Tony Gwynn Sr. is the only man since World War II to collect 300 or more total bases in a season while hitting seven or fewer home runs? Well, now you do. [...]
June 12th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
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June 16th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
[...] Minute Ago (6/16/2011 9:52pm) in reply to AFink93 I found this. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11587 Shoeless Joe had 3 HRs and a .579 SLG in 1912. [...]