The 3,000 hit club (but not the one you think)
Posted by Andy on May 6, 2010
The "3,000 hit club" is one of the most recognizable phrases among baseball fans. It ranks up there with "a .300 hitter", the "500 home run club" and the "300 win club).
According to the Play Index, there are 27 hitters with 3,000 career hits, the most recent being Craig Biggio. See the full list here. Or, for that matter, here. In case you're curious, I'd say there's about an 80% chance that the next guy to reach 3,000 hits will be Derek Jeter. The only other guys within 300 hits are Ken Griffey, Ivan Rodriguez, and Omar Vizquel. The only thing that would prevent Jeter from getting there first is injury. The only other guys within 500 hits are Alex Rodriguez, Manny Ramirez, and my favorite dude, Garrett Anderson.
But I'm not here today to talk about hitters. I'm here to talk about the other 3,000 hit club: pitchers who have given up at least 3,000 career hits. In history there have been 124 pitchers to yield at least 3,000 hits in their career. That's a long list so follow that link to view the whole thing. Meanwhile here are some subsets:
Here are the last 11 guys to do it:
Rk | Player | Year | H | From | To | G | W | L | SV | IP | ER | BB | SO | HR | BF | Tm | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Livan Hernandez | 2010 | 3050 | 1996 | 2010 | 418 | 160 | 152 | .513 | 0 | 2771.0 | 1355 | 953 | 1726 | 4.40 | 97 | 318 | 12021 | FLA-TOT-SFG-MON-WSN-ARI |
2 | Jamie Moyer | 2010 | 4088 | 1986 | 2010 | 672 | 261 | 197 | .570 | 0 | 3938.2 | 1851 | 1122 | 2357 | 4.23 | 105 | 498 | 16773 | CHC-TEX-STL-BAL-TOT-SEA-PHI |
3 | Andy Pettitte | 2010 | 3096 | 1995 | 2010 | 474 | 233 | 135 | .633 | 0 | 2965.1 | 1279 | 934 | 2177 | 3.88 | 116 | 251 | 12607 | NYY-HOU |
4 | Randy Johnson | 2009 | 3346 | 1988 | 2009 | 618 | 303 | 166 | .646 | 2 | 4135.1 | 1513 | 1497 | 4875 | 3.29 | 136 | 411 | 17067 | MON-TOT-SEA-ARI-NYY-SFG |
5 | John Smoltz | 2009 | 3074 | 1988 | 2009 | 723 | 213 | 155 | .579 | 154 | 3473.0 | 1284 | 1010 | 3084 | 3.33 | 125 | 288 | 14271 | ATL-TOT |
6 | Tom Glavine | 2008 | 4298 | 1987 | 2008 | 682 | 305 | 203 | .600 | 0 | 4413.1 | 1734 | 1500 | 2607 | 3.54 | 118 | 356 | 18604 | ATL-NYM |
7 | Greg Maddux | 2008 | 4726 | 1986 | 2008 | 744 | 355 | 227 | .610 | 0 | 5008.1 | 1756 | 999 | 3371 | 3.16 | 132 | 353 | 20421 | CHC-ATL-TOT-SDP |
8 | Mike Mussina | 2008 | 3460 | 1991 | 2008 | 537 | 270 | 153 | .638 | 0 | 3562.2 | 1458 | 785 | 2813 | 3.68 | 123 | 376 | 14593 | BAL-NYY |
9 | Kenny Rogers | 2008 | 3457 | 1989 | 2008 | 762 | 219 | 156 | .584 | 28 | 3302.2 | 1568 | 1175 | 1968 | 4.27 | 108 | 339 | 14280 | TEX-NYY-OAK-TOT-MIN-DET |
10 | Roger Clemens | 2007 | 4185 | 1984 | 2007 | 709 | 354 | 184 | .658 | 0 | 4916.2 | 1707 | 1580 | 4672 | 3.12 | 143 | 363 | 20240 | BOS-TOR-NYY-HOU |
11 | David Wells | 2007 | 3635 | 1987 | 2007 | 660 | 239 | 157 | .604 | 13 | 3439.0 | 1578 | 719 | 2201 | 4.13 | 108 | 407 | 14413 | TOR-DET-TOT-BAL-NYY-CHW-SDP-BOS |
Strictly speaking, those are the 11 guys to most recently pitch who also allowed 3,000 hits. Hernandez, Moyer, and Pettitte are the only ones who have pitched in 2010.
Here are the most career hits allowed:
Rk | Player | Year | H ▾ | From | To | G | GS | CG | GF | W | L | SV | IP | R | BB | SO | HR | BF | Tm | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Cy Young | 1911 | 7092 | 1890 | 1911 | 906 | 815 | 749 | 84 | 511 | 316 | .618 | 17 | 7356.0 | 3167 | 1217 | 2803 | 2.63 | 138 | 138 | 29565 | CLV-STL-BOS-CLE-TOT |
2 | Pud Galvin | 1892 | 6405 | 1875 | 1892 | 705 | 688 | 646 | 19 | 365 | 310 | .541 | 2 | 6003.1 | 3352 | 745 | 1807 | 2.85 | 108 | 121 | 25415 | STL-BUF-TOT-PIT-PBB |
3 | Bobby Mathews | 1887 | 5601 | 1871 | 1887 | 578 | 568 | 525 | 12 | 297 | 248 | .545 | 3 | 4956.0 | 3497 | 532 | 1528 | 2.86 | 104 | 70 | 21997 | KEK-BAL-NYU-CIN-PRO-TOT-BSN-PHA |
4 | Phil Niekro | 1987 | 5044 | 1964 | 1987 | 864 | 716 | 245 | 83 | 318 | 274 | .537 | 29 | 5404.0 | 2337 | 1809 | 3342 | 3.35 | 115 | 482 | 22677 | MLN-ATL-NYY-CLE-TOT |
5 | Gaylord Perry | 1983 | 4938 | 1962 | 1983 | 777 | 690 | 303 | 33 | 314 | 265 | .542 | 11 | 5350.0 | 2128 | 1379 | 3534 | 3.11 | 117 | 399 | 21953 | SFG-CLE-TOT-TEX-SDP-ATL-SEA |
6 | Kid Nichols | 1906 | 4929 | 1890 | 1906 | 621 | 562 | 532 | 56 | 361 | 208 | .634 | 17 | 5067.1 | 2480 | 1272 | 1881 | 2.96 | 140 | 156 | 21082 | BSN-STL-TOT-PHI |
7 | Walter Johnson | 1927 | 4913 | 1907 | 1927 | 802 | 666 | 531 | 127 | 417 | 279 | .599 | 34 | 5914.1 | 1902 | 1363 | 3509 | 2.17 | 147 | 97 | 23405 | WSH |
8 | Pete Alexander | 1930 | 4868 | 1911 | 1930 | 696 | 600 | 437 | 80 | 373 | 208 | .642 | 32 | 5190.0 | 1852 | 951 | 2198 | 2.56 | 135 | 164 | 20893 | PHI-CHC-TOT-STL |
9 | Warren Spahn | 1965 | 4830 | 1942 | 1965 | 750 | 665 | 382 | 67 | 363 | 245 | .597 | 29 | 5243.2 | 2016 | 1434 | 2583 | 3.09 | 119 | 434 | 21547 | BSN-MLN-TOT |
10 | Tommy John | 1989 | 4783 | 1963 | 1989 | 760 | 700 | 162 | 22 | 288 | 231 | .555 | 4 | 4710.1 | 2017 | 1259 | 2245 | 3.34 | 111 | 302 | 19692 | CLE-CHW-LAD-NYY-TOT-CAL |
Wow, Cy Young and Pud Galvin made the club twice over. Of course, when a guy pitches over 6,000 innings, that's going to happen.
The vast majority of these pitchers were excellent and they reached 3,000 hits through longevity, not because they were bad. But for what it's worth, here are the 10 pitchers with ERA+ values of 100 or worse:
Rk | Player | Year | H | From | To | G | GS | CG | SHO | GF | W | L | SV | IP | ER | BB | SO | Tm | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Bert Cunningham | 1901 | 3071 | 1887 | 1901 | 342 | 311 | 287 | 4 | 28 | 142 | 167 | .460 | 2 | 2734.2 | 1283 | 1064 | 718 | 4.22 | 91 | BRO-BAL-TOT-LOU-CHC |
2 | Chick Fraser | 1909 | 3462 | 1896 | 1909 | 434 | 388 | 342 | 22 | 43 | 175 | 212 | .452 | 6 | 3364.0 | 1373 | 1338 | 1098 | 3.67 | 92 | LOU-TOT-PHI-PHA-BSN-CIN-CHC |
3 | Red Donahue | 1906 | 3377 | 1893 | 1906 | 367 | 340 | 312 | 25 | 23 | 164 | 175 | .484 | 3 | 2966.1 | 1191 | 689 | 787 | 3.61 | 96 | NYG-STL-PHI-SLB-TOT-CLE-DET |
4 | Livan Hernandez | 2010 | 3050 | 1996 | 2010 | 418 | 417 | 48 | 8 | 0 | 160 | 152 | .513 | 0 | 2771.0 | 1355 | 953 | 1726 | 4.40 | 97 | FLA-TOT-SFG-MON-WSN-ARI |
5 | Joe Niekro | 1988 | 3466 | 1967 | 1988 | 702 | 500 | 107 | 29 | 93 | 221 | 204 | .520 | 16 | 3584.1 | 1431 | 1262 | 1747 | 3.59 | 98 | CHC-TOT-DET-ATL-HOU-NYY-MIN |
6 | Mike Torrez | 1984 | 3043 | 1967 | 1984 | 494 | 458 | 117 | 15 | 13 | 185 | 160 | .536 | 0 | 3043.2 | 1340 | 1371 | 1404 | 3.96 | 98 | STL-TOT-MON-BAL-OAK-BOS-NYM |
7 | Lew Burdette | 1967 | 3186 | 1950 | 1967 | 626 | 373 | 158 | 33 | 128 | 203 | 144 | .585 | 31 | 3067.1 | 1246 | 628 | 1074 | 3.66 | 99 | NYY-BSN-MLN-TOT-CAL |
8 | Jerry Reuss | 1990 | 3734 | 1969 | 1990 | 628 | 547 | 127 | 39 | 41 | 220 | 191 | .535 | 11 | 3669.2 | 1483 | 1127 | 1907 | 3.64 | 100 | STL-HOU-PIT-LAD-TOT-CHW |
9 | Earl Whitehill | 1939 | 3917 | 1923 | 1939 | 541 | 473 | 226 | 16 | 47 | 218 | 185 | .541 | 11 | 3564.2 | 1726 | 1431 | 1350 | 4.36 | 100 | DET-WSH-CLE-CHC |
10 | Al Orth | 1909 | 3564 | 1895 | 1909 | 440 | 394 | 324 | 31 | 44 | 204 | 189 | .519 | 6 | 3354.2 | 1256 | 661 | 948 | 3.37 | 100 | PHI-WSH-TOT-NYY |
These are probably the pitchers with the least impressive careers among this group but they were certainly not bad. They wouldn't have stuck around for so long. Jerry Reuss is a good example. He had a somewhat slow start to his career but then had a 7-year period as one of the top starters in baseball. He finished out with a few good seasons and a few below-average seasons mixed together. His final numbers show an ERA+ of 100 but he had plenty of very good years and at his peak was a bona fide star.
Here are the best members of this group ranked by fewest hits per 9 innings pitched:
Rk | Player | Year | H | From | To | G | SHO | W | L | IP | ER | BB | SO | HR | BF | Tm | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Nolan Ryan | 1993 | 3923 | 6.56 | 1966 | 1993 | 807 | 61 | 324 | 292 | 5386.0 | 1911 | 2795 | 5714 | 3.19 | 112 | 321 | 22575 | NYM-CAL-HOU-TEX |
2 | Randy Johnson | 2009 | 3346 | 7.28 | 1988 | 2009 | 618 | 37 | 303 | 166 | 4135.1 | 1513 | 1497 | 4875 | 3.29 | 136 | 411 | 17067 | MON-TOT-SEA-ARI-NYY-SFG |
3 | Tom Seaver | 1986 | 3971 | 7.47 | 1967 | 1986 | 656 | 61 | 311 | 205 | 4783.0 | 1521 | 1390 | 3640 | 2.86 | 128 | 380 | 19369 | NYM-TOT-CIN-CHW |
4 | Walter Johnson | 1927 | 4913 | 7.48 | 1907 | 1927 | 802 | 110 | 417 | 279 | 5914.1 | 1424 | 1363 | 3509 | 2.17 | 147 | 97 | 23405 | WSH |
5 | Bob Gibson | 1975 | 3279 | 7.60 | 1959 | 1975 | 528 | 56 | 251 | 174 | 3884.1 | 1258 | 1336 | 3117 | 2.91 | 128 | 257 | 16068 | STL |
6 | Jim Palmer | 1984 | 3349 | 7.63 | 1965 | 1984 | 558 | 53 | 268 | 152 | 3948.0 | 1253 | 1311 | 2212 | 2.86 | 126 | 303 | 16114 | BAL |
7 | Roger Clemens | 2007 | 4185 | 7.66 | 1984 | 2007 | 709 | 46 | 354 | 184 | 4916.2 | 1707 | 1580 | 4672 | 3.12 | 143 | 363 | 20240 | BOS-TOR-NYY-HOU |
8 | Bob Feller | 1956 | 3271 | 7.69 | 1936 | 1956 | 570 | 44 | 266 | 162 | 3827.0 | 1384 | 1764 | 2581 | 3.25 | 122 | 224 | 16180 | CLE |
9 | Charlie Hough | 1994 | 3283 | 7.77 | 1970 | 1994 | 858 | 13 | 216 | 216 | 3801.1 | 1582 | 1665 | 2362 | 3.75 | 107 | 383 | 16170 | LAD-TOT-TEX-CHW-FLA |
10 | Tim Keefe | 1893 | 4438 | 7.91 | 1880 | 1893 | 600 | 39 | 342 | 225 | 5049.2 | 1474 | 1233 | 2564 | 2.63 | 127 | 75 | 20941 | TRO-NYP-NYG-NYI-TOT-PHI |
The more I look at Charlie Hough's numbers, the more underrated I think he is. Check out his numbers as compared to the guy right above him, Bob Feller. Almost identical totals for IP, hits, walks, and even strikeouts are close. Hough was hurt by the long ball, which I think is the biggest factor for why he ended up allowing more runs and getting fewer wins.
Who might join this club next? Here are the active pitchers with the most hits allowed (who aren't already in the club):
Rk | Player | H | From | To | Age | G | GF | W | L | SV | IP | ER | BB | SO | HR | BF | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Tim Wakefield | 2871 | 1992 | 2010 | 25-43 | 567 | 62 | 189 | 163 | .537 | 22 | 2959.0 | 1431 | 1130 | 1996 | 4.35 | 108 | 379 | 12778 |
2 | Jeff Suppan | 2703 | 1995 | 2010 | 20-35 | 417 | 9 | 135 | 136 | .498 | 0 | 2426.0 | 1266 | 824 | 1344 | 4.70 | 97 | 323 | 10620 |
3 | Javier Vazquez | 2483 | 1998 | 2010 | 22-34 | 392 | 1 | 143 | 142 | .502 | 0 | 2513.0 | 1184 | 663 | 2273 | 4.24 | 106 | 328 | 10566 |
4 | Kevin Millwood | 2360 | 1997 | 2010 | 22-35 | 389 | 3 | 155 | 124 | .556 | 0 | 2354.1 | 1049 | 725 | 1840 | 4.01 | 109 | 251 | 10030 |
5 | Mark Buehrle | 2186 | 2000 | 2010 | 21-31 | 332 | 6 | 137 | 101 | .576 | 0 | 2098.1 | 893 | 480 | 1204 | 3.83 | 121 | 240 | 8722 |
6 | Derek Lowe | 2180 | 1997 | 2010 | 24-37 | 573 | 156 | 145 | 119 | .549 | 85 | 2168.0 | 929 | 626 | 1407 | 3.86 | 117 | 176 | 9151 |
7 | Roy Halladay | 2036 | 1998 | 2010 | 21-33 | 319 | 6 | 153 | 77 | .665 | 1 | 2095.2 | 788 | 459 | 1534 | 3.38 | 135 | 174 | 8618 |
8 | Tim Hudson | 1984 | 1999 | 2010 | 23-34 | 316 | 0 | 150 | 79 | .655 | 0 | 2091.0 | 808 | 644 | 1414 | 3.48 | 127 | 166 | 8731 |
9 | Jon Garland | 1972 | 2000 | 2010 | 20-30 | 317 | 9 | 120 | 104 | .536 | 1 | 1864.1 | 906 | 613 | 983 | 4.37 | 105 | 231 | 7974 |
10 | Jeff Weaver | 1954 | 1999 | 2010 | 22-33 | 321 | 13 | 99 | 119 | .454 | 2 | 1799.0 | 934 | 499 | 1189 | 4.67 | 94 | 223 | 7797 |
Tough to say. If Wakefield were starting, he'd be the best bet. For now, though, he seems to be relegated to mop-up duty. Suppan has also been booted from the rotation. Vazquez is starting for the Yankees although he's getting skipped next time (supposed to be tomorrow in Boston.) Still, I'd probably say Vazquez has the best shot of getting in next.
I wonder if they'll stop the game and save the ball for him?
May 6th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Moyer is also about to join the "500 home run club" also. He has allowed 498 and is closing in on Robin Roberts 505.
This may be the only individual record in baseball that is tainted by other players PED use.
May 6th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Keep an eye on Jamie Moyer. He joins the 500 HR allowed club with two more long balls.
May 6th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I hereby withdraw my HOF vote for Cy Young.
May 6th, 2010 at 9:52 am
JT, I'm not sure you have interpreted that stat in the way it was meant. 🙂
May 6th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Crap, Robin Roberts' death was just announced.
May 6th, 2010 at 10:28 am
It's a shame that Vazquez, who showed how good he can be last year, could be lucky to finish as a .500 pitcher. He is good at piling up numbers though. He'll probably be the next to 3000 H and 3000 SO.
May 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
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May 6th, 2010 at 10:39 am
I just heard about Robin Roberts passing. had I known about it a couple of hours ago, i would not have made the light-hearted post (number 1) above.
He was the only HOFer to come out of MSU, and was also a starter on their basketball team.
May 6th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Why is it that the pitchers outnumber the hitters in the 3000 hit club 124 to 27, yet the hitters outnumber the pitchers in the 500 HR club 25 to 1.
Another way of looking at this is the 3000 H club and the 500 HR club are practically the same size for hitters, yet for pitchers, the disparity is 124 to 1. (likely 124 to 2 soon)
I understand that you can survive as a pitcher giving up singles more easily than you can giving up HR's, but still these ratios are astounding to me.
May 6th, 2010 at 11:03 am
I think it's down to 2 points, including the one you named, specifically that guys who give up tons of home runs don't typically last very long and getting to 500 HR is just about impossible. The other point is that for much of baseball history, the top pitchers in the league accumulated more hits than the top batters. Roughly speaking, top batters each year get 200 hits whereas top pitchers each year give up 300 hits. So, all things being equal, getting to a distant total like 3000 is 'easier' for pitchers.
May 6th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
How about the fact that Pedro Martinez and Curt Schilling are the only two pitchers to strike out 3,000 batters and give up less than 3,000 hits. Schilling gave up 2,998 hits and Pedro a ridiciulous 2,221.