100 SB, 250 RBI, in 800 or fewer career games
Posted by Andy on January 16, 2008
Over at the 88 Topps Cards blog, I posted this stat about R. J. Reynolds: he's one of just 14 players to have at least 100 SB and 250 RBI in his career while playing in no more than 800 career games.
Here's the full list:
Cnt Player Year SB G RBI From To Ages PA AB R H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions Teams ----+-----------------+----+----+----+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+----------- 1 Coco Crisp 2007 104 665 272 2002 2007 22-27 2827 2565 378 717 140 23 49 195 8 371 2 48 17 36 39 .280 .329 .409 .738 *87/D CLE-BOS 2 Chone Figgins 2007 204 662 265 2002 2007 24-29 2826 2517 410 737 104 45 25 249 2 419 2 32 26 30 66 .293 .354 .400 .754 584/769D ANA-LAA 3 Felipe Lopez 2007 101 730 288 2001 2007 21-27 3058 2720 384 702 131 25 65 279 7 615 12 26 21 38 41 .258 .328 .396 .724 *6/54 TOR-CIN-TOT-WSN 4 Felix Jose 2003 102 747 324 1988 2003 23-38 2756 2527 322 708 135 14 54 203 28 507 9 3 14 50 57 .280 .334 .409 .743 *9/78D OAK-TOT-STL-KCR-NYY-ARI 5 R.J. Reynolds 1990 109 786 294 1983 1990 24-31 2506 2270 288 605 121 17 35 190 26 419 5 16 25 58 29 .267 .321 .381 .702 978 LAD-TOT-PIT 6 Mitchell Page 1984 104 673 259 1977 1984 25-32 2398 2104 297 560 84 21 72 245 21 449 18 17 14 38 55 .266 .346 .429 .775 *D7/9 OAK-PIT 7 Birdie Cree 1915 132 742 332 1908 1915 25-32 2982 2603 345 761 117 62 11 269 0 97 43 67 0 0 17 .292 .368 .398 .766 *78/9645 NYY 8 Joe Birmingham 1914 108 771 265 1906 1914 21-29 2860 2633 284 667 89 27 7 129 0 27 24 74 0 0 1 .253 .294 .316 .610 *8/79536 CLE 9 Nixey Callahan 1913 157 698 298 1901 1913 27-39 2743 2485 314 682 103 30 8 131 0 2 13 114 0 0 0 .274 .314 .350 .664 *75/19486 CHW 10 Harry Lumley 1910 110 730 305 1904 1910 23-29 2963 2653 300 728 109 66 38 204 0 6 9 97 0 0 0 .274 .328 .408 .736 *9 BRO 11 Tommy Corcoran 1907 102 764 358 1901 1907 32-38 3117 2951 304 705 99 37 7 102 0 0 5 59 0 0 0 .239 .266 .305 .571 *6/4 CIN-NYG 12 Cozy Dolan 1906 109 785 306 1901 1906 28-33 3330 3029 407 820 94 36 10 219 0 0 20 62 0 0 0 .271 .324 .335 .659 *98/3741 TOT-BRO-CIN-TOT-BSN 13 Chick Stahl 1906 105 781 339 1901 1906 28-33 3407 3004 464 871 122 62 17 280 0 0 33 90 0 0 0 .290 .357 .389 .746 *8/9 BOS 14 Danny Green 1905 134 656 291 1901 1905 24-28 2795 2432 373 706 87 46 14 256 0 0 31 76 0 0 0 .290 .365 .381 .746 *98/7 CHC-CHW
First off, two things to notice about this group:
- Nobody did it in the years between 1915 and 1984. (The year is the final year of the career--Page for example was active in the few years prior to 1984.)
- The first three guys qualify only because they haven't yet reached 800 career games which, barring something very unusual, they will all do.
Now, I think the last 8 guys on here qualify because the game was different back then. Run-scoring was higher in that period and stolen bases were common, and thus it was a little easier to rack up the necessary totals in a shorter career (under 800 games.)
So if we ignore the first 3 guys and the last 8 guys, that leaves us with just three: Felix Jose, R. J. Reynolds, and Mitchell Page.
A friend who was growing up in Oakland when Page was playing there told me that his nickname was "All the Rage, Mitchell Page", although I can't confirm that anywhere. You can see why, though. He burst on the scene with a .307 BA, .405 OBP, and .521 SLG, accumulating 21 HR, 75 RBI, plus 42 SB (and only 5 CS) in his rookie year of 1977, losing the Rookie of the Year award to Eddie Murray. In 1978, he fell off considerably, losing more than 100 points off his OPS. By 1979, he was washed up. Largely on the strength of his first year, Page finished with a career OPS+ of 118.
Reynolds had a totally different type of career from Page. R. J. topped 400 at-bats in a season just once and got at least 200 AB every season except for his rookie year of 1983. His career high SLG was .420 and his career low was .344, and he was usually right around his career average of .381. His batting average never strayed more than 20 points from its average of .267. He stole between 12 and 22 bases every year from 1985 to 1990. And that's what Reynolds was: a very consistent, if unspectacular, player. In 1990, when he his that career low .344 SLG, his career ended. Reynolds OPS+ was right around 100 virtually every year of his career, and he finished with a career mark of 97.
Felix Jose's career was somewhere in the middle. He didn't start off hot and flame out like Page, nor was he a consistent player like Reynolds. He got his first real shot in 1990 with Oakland and didn't do all that much, slugging .385. Jose, you might remember, was a huge hulk of a man, but also very fit. He was (and probably still is today) quite physically impressive, and looked like a guy with both a lot of power and a lot of speed. But neither really came through that much, in the end. He put together some nice seasons in 1991 and 1992 for the Cardinals, but hit a total of just 22 HRs across those two seasons. He stole 48 bases but was also caught 24 times. In 1993 with Kansas City, his power disappeared completely, though it returned for a final appearance in 1994. Jose was then out of the majors for several years, resurfacing briefly with the Yankees in 2000, and then resurfacing again briefly with Arizona in 2002 and 2003. Thanks to the two years in St. Louis, Jose kept his career OPS+ above 100, finishing at 103.
Three different guys, three similar results.
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January 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Just a nitpick here, but presumably this search finds only guys who finished a season with fewer than 800 career games and the applicable career totals. It would not pick up any guys who reached 100SB/250 RBI in under 800 games midseason, but then went over 800 games before season end.
January 16th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
expanding the search to include players who finished their careers at 900 games or less gives a somewhat larger list (37 players), but still a very long gap from 1925 to 1982:
http://www.bb-ref.com/pi/shareit/RnUk
it looks like eric byrnes qualified for the original criteria for a short while during the 2007 season.
January 16th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
"Now, I think the last 8 guys on here qualify because the game was different back then. Run-scoring was higher in that period"
The last 8 guys are in the deadball era -- run scoring was lower. Stolen bases were higher.
But several of those guys actually played over 800 games. Corcoran played over 2000. Did you only run your search from 1900?
"presumably this search finds only guys who finished a season with fewer than 800 career games and the applicable career totals. It would not pick up any guys who reached 100SB/250 RBI in under 800 games midseason, but then went over 800 games before season end."
It's only supposed to find guys who finished a _career_ with fewer than 800 games. Per my above comment, it doesn't do that. But anyone who played over 800 career games should not show up on the list at all, regardless when during a season they passed that milestone.
January 17th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Johnny, nice catch there. The batting season finder runs from 1901 to present, so for all intents and purposes, it ignores any years played before 1901. If a player played from 1895 to 1905, then, it counts that player's career as starting in 1901 and ending in 1905.
You're right that several of those names don't belong.
January 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
You can change it to start in 1876, or whenever you want. I think I defaulted mine to begin in 1893, with the 60'6" pitching distance, unless I'm looking for something else specific.
January 17th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
You know, I never noticed that it went back further than 1901. I stand corrected again.