Pitching In 5+ Games Within Single World Series
Posted by Steve Lombardi on October 30, 2011
We had five guys join the club in this past World Series -
| Rk | Player | Year | #Matching | W | L | GS | CG | SHO | SV | IP | H | ER | HR | BB | SO | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Darold Knowles | 1973 | 7 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 6.1 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 1.42 | |
| 2 | Tim Worrell | 2002 | 6 | Ind. Games | 1 | 1 | .500 | 3.18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 0.88 |
| 3 | Felix Rodriguez | 2002 | 6 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 4.76 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.2 | 4 | 3 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0.88 |
| 4 | Dan Quisenberry | 1980 | 6 | Ind. Games | 1 | 2 | .333 | 5.23 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 10.1 | 10 | 6 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1.26 |
| 5 | Alexi Ogando | 2011 | 6 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 10.12 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.2 | 7 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 3 | 5.25 | |
| 6 | Rollie Fingers | 1972 | 6 | Ind. Games | 1 | 1 | .500 | 1.74 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 10.1 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 11 | 0.77 |
| 7 | Rollie Fingers | 1973 | 6 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 0.66 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 13.2 | 13 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 8 | 1.24 |
| 8 | Hugh Casey | 1947 | 6 | Ind. Games | 2 | 0 | 1.000 | 0.87 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 10.1 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0.58 |
| 9 | Pedro Borbon | 1972 | 6 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 3.86 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7.0 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 1.29 |
| 10 | John Wetteland | 1996 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 2.08 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.1 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 1.15 | |
| 11 | Kent Tekulve | 1979 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 2.89 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 9.1 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 10 | 0.75 |
| 12 | Julian Tavarez | 1995 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 1.15 | |
| 13 | Mike Stanton | 1991 | 5 | Ind. Games | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7.1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 0.95 |
| 14 | Mike Stanton | 2001 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 3.18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 0.71 | |
| 15 | Bob Stanley | 1986 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6.1 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 0.95 | |
| 16 | Deacon Phillippe | 1903 | 5 | Ind. Games | 3 | 2 | .600 | 3.07 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 44.0 | 38 | 15 | 0 | 3 | 22 | 0.93 |
| 17 | Jason Motte | 2011 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 6.23 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4.1 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1.15 |
| 18 | Jose Mesa | 1997 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 5.40 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5.0 | 10 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 2.20 | |
| 19 | Tug McGraw | 1973 | 5 | Ind. Games | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 2.63 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 13.2 | 8 | 4 | 0 | 9 | 14 | 1.24 |
| 20 | Will McEnaney | 1975 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 2.70 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 6.2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 5 | 0.75 | |
| 21 | Roger McDowell | 1986 | 5 | Ind. Games | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 4.91 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7.1 | 10 | 4 | 0 | 6 | 2 | 2.18 |
| 22 | Bob McClure | 1982 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 2 | .000 | 4.15 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 4.1 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 5 | 1.85 |
| 23 | Mike Marshall | 1974 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 1.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 9.0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 10 | 0.78 |
| 24 | Ryan Madson | 2009 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 2.08 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 4.1 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 1.85 | |
| 25 | Lance Lynn | 2011 | 5 | Ind. Games | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 6.35 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.2 | 7 | 4 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1.76 |
| 26 | Scott Feldman | 2011 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 9.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 6 | 2 | 2.20 | |
| 27 | Rawly Eastwick | 1975 | 5 | Ind. Games | 2 | 0 | 1.000 | 2.25 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8.0 | 6 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 1.13 |
| 28 | Octavio Dotel | 2011 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 4.91 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.2 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 5 | 1.09 |
| 29 | Brendan Donnelly | 2002 | 5 | Ind. Games | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7.2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6 | 0.65 |
| 30 | Clay Carroll | 1972 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 1 | .000 | 1.59 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 5.2 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 1.76 |
| 31 | Clay Carroll | 1975 | 5 | Ind. Games | 1 | 0 | 1.000 | 3.18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.2 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 1.06 |
| 32 | Hank Behrman | 1947 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 7.11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6.1 | 9 | 5 | 0 | 5 | 3 | 2.21 | |
| 33 | Paul Assenmacher | 1997 | 5 | Ind. Games | 0 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1.25 |
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Amazing we haven't seen someone do all seven games since 1973 - given the way relief pitchers, especially LOOGY's, are used today.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:55 am
I think Ogando played his final world series game in his life on Friday. Given his outstanding performance in the series, no team with a champion aspiration will look at him ever.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Well, if you look at the WHIP of the Texas relievers this year, it paints a pretty clear picture of what lost them the series. Ogando, yikes! In that list, it's like a Sesame Street 'one of these things is not like the others' exercise.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Yeah...those are some rough numbers for Ogando. I agree with 1; can't see him on a contender.
October 30th, 2011 at 11:49 am
@ 1-->3
Don't be dumb. Ogando having a bad 2.2 innings means nothing, WS or not. An infinitesimally small sample size will usually yield wonky results statistically. If you want a better sample check out his regular season stats (and WHIP)
October 30th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Has the acceleration of the end-time shortened everybody's memory that severely? Ogando was unhittable in the minors, unhittable as a rookie, well above league average in his first year as a starter, and unhittable the first two rounds of the playoffs.
Epic collapse of out-getting in the WS, yes.
Dont think it is going to end his career.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Ogando pitched in 13 post-season games this year. Only Paul Assenmacher (14 games for the Indians in 1997) has pitched in more post-season games in one year.
Six Cardinals -- Pujols, Molina, Berkman, Jay, Furcal and Freese -- all played in 18 post-season games this year. The only other players to get into 18 post-season games in a year were six guys who, like Assenmacher, were with the Indians in 1997: Matt Williams, Manny Ramirez, Omar Vizquel, David Justice, Marquis Grissom and Sandy Alomar,Jr.
October 30th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
4)5) Ogando might be good till the first rounds, but he proved he can't be trusted in the World Series.
IMHO Wash should have taken Uehara, who has gone through this through his Japan series appearances, although Uehara was bad in the first 2 rounds.
October 30th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
2.2 innings doesn't "prove he can't be trusted in the World Series".
Most likely he was just gassed and starting to feel the effects of going from 78 innings in 2010 to 182 innings in 2011.
October 30th, 2011 at 1:53 pm
I would like to give honorable mention to Larry Sherry, '59 Dodgers. He doesn't qualify for this list because he appeared in only 4 games in a 6 game series, but boy what a series. In those 4 games he won 2 and saved 2. World Series MVP!
October 30th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Sherry went 2-4 at the plate, too.
October 30th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
I would guess that it pitchers appearing in all 7 games will remain rare; not only does the series need to go 7, they all need to be fairly close games (at least at some point in the mid-late innings.)
October 30th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
@4-5 Are right on: some of you have wayyyyy too short a memory and lack of perspective regarding a very small sample size. Ogando will be fine. Consider, for example, this postseason pitching line for a young hurler from the past:
1 game started, 4.0 IP, 5 H, 2BB, 2 K, 2 HR, 11.25 ERA and 1.750 WHIP
Care to guess who it was?
October 30th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
@1
I disagree. Any team with aspirations of winning a championship should absolutely look at Ogando... trading him to the opposing team that is.
October 30th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
What the hell? Am I on ESPN and not Baseball-Ref? Seriously, I thought commentors here were a bit more intelligent and can't believe the overractions to LESS THAN THREE INNINGS of pitching by an obviously overused young pitcher. Just ridiculous.
October 30th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
@12
Am I cheating if I told you I found him using P-I?
October 30th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
@15 Nahh, i guess your honesty cancels out your need for research 🙂
I’ll reveal the answer for the rest of you:
Anybody ever heard of Don Larsen? The above stat line (see #12) is from the 1955 Series. One year later, he was back in the Series, his “foolish” manager gave him the ball again, and he pitched a pretty good game that some of you might be familiar with.
October 30th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
@Jake, all: Maybe this will end Cabriael's commentary career?
October 30th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Almost a sixth of these occurances came at the hand of Sparky Anderson, justifying his nickname of "Captain Hook"?
And in response to Shping {#16}, yeah...I think I have heard that name before -- but then, that '56 game epitomizes the old saying that "We all can't be perfect".
October 30th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
The '73 A's used eight pitchers--for an entire seven game series. So it is not surprising to me that Knowles was used in all seven.
They might have had just nine pitchers eligible for that series (which wasn't unusual for that time). Anyone know?
October 30th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
And the Mets used seven. Wow. Seven in seven games. IIRC Jim McAndrew and Buzz Capra were the two who never got the call.
October 30th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
I was looking at Deacon Phillippe's stats from 1903. He started his five games in a span of thirteen days, and completed all of them. He started 33 during the season, but being the team's best pitcher, he did most of th pitching in the Series. The game has really changed over the years.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
14) 17)
I said Ogando has pitched his last world series game in his life, not his last game in his life.
first, the Rangers are not going back to the world series next year. No consecutive WS loser went back to the WS in the modern era. In fact I think they will fall behind the Angels. What happened in last Thursday will remain a scar to virtually everyone who were there, and I predict that when the Rangers win the WS , which might be a long time away from now, none of the roster of '11 will be there.
Second, after the Rangers fall behind the Angels on '12, the team will be shaken up, with their 'key' players probably traded away. Ogando, because of his outstanding performance in the WS, will probably land in a team with no WS aspirations. He might actually end his career as a dependable pitcher, but he won't be pitching in a WS again.
October 30th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Sort the above list by ERA and the 5 finish 25th, 29th, 30th, 32nd, and 33rd out of 33. I realize that none of them pitched 6 innings or more so you can't assume the poor performances were from over use.
I figured at least one of them would throw up decent numbers over the span of the WS... what gives? Small sample sizes?
October 30th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
@ 21 Gary W:
That's amazing for Deacon Phillippee in 1903:
44.0 inning pitched in 5 games, all Complete games
1 of his games was obviously a loss on the road.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Ogando will be fine. Case and point: George Frazier probably had the worst pitching performance in any World Series. He lost THREE GAMES in the 1981 World Series. The Yanks won the first two games, and then Frazier lost games three and four. Guidry lost game 5, and Frazier lost game six. That series Winfield earned the nickname "Mr. May" for going 1 for 22. Strangely, no one placed any blame on Frazier - who became the only pitcher (who wasn't intentionally losing games) to lose three games in a world series.
My point here is that Frazier went on to pitch two more seasons with the Yankees, was never blamed for losing the series, and he eventually got himself a world series ring in 1987.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
@ 22- The '21 and '22 Yankees lost the Series, and won in '23.
Still, Ogando may not be used as a reliever in the future, since his success has come as a starter. Teams will ALWAYS take a chance on a hard-throwing talent (see Farnsworth, Kyle, and Perez, Oliver, to name two). We'll look at your prognosticating down the road.
October 30th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
No pitch count in 1903.
October 31st, 2011 at 12:11 am
@23 - Dotel actually pitched quite well in the Series (5/1 K/BB and 0 HR, with the 1 walk being an IBB; only 3 hits). He ended up with a mediocre ERA because he gave up a double, K, and IBB in Game 5, then watched from the bench as Rzepczynski allowed both runners to score.
October 31st, 2011 at 1:53 am
A tiny sample size means nothing. Even if he was not gassed for much more usage. Also, how well or bad a pitcher does in any one performance will tend to be most strongly effected by the quality of his pitches, but consider also that there are random factors, not only here exactly a well hit ball lands, but how good a group of hitters is on a certain day. We never can fully isolate how much a good or bad performance in a batter/pitcher battle is due to chance.
Also, many of the greatest players ever have done poorly in clutch games. When there are few of them, chance means a great deal. Williams did not want to use a wrist strain as an excuse, but is there any doubt that he did not choke (in the biggest regret of his career) in the '46 World Series? Did Willie Mays wilt under pressure? Ty Cobb was a wimp because he did not do well in 3 W.S./17 games?
Yeah, those guys should have just retired early.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:19 am
26) And the Cubs won a WS on 1908.
The very fact that it has to go back all the way to 1923, when there were only 14 teams and no playoff series or wild cards, shows that Rangers are very unlikely to be back in the WS for a while.
Also it is suspected that the 1922 WS was thrown by Yankee pitcher Carl Mays, better known as the killer of Ray Chapman, for gambling. So it was not such 'heartbreak' to lose that year's WS.
Speaking about heartbreaks, 2002 was not the first major WS heartbreak the Giants had. And it has a lot of things common with Rangers' current situation.
The Giants, after losing in the 1923 WS, faced Washington Senators on 1924, the most unlikely team to appear in the WS up to that time. They were 3-2 but lost game 6 in Washington's home field.
Leading by 2 in the 8th inning of the 7th game, they lost the lead because of the error of a young 3rd baseman (who ironically went to HoF later).
And they were shut down by 36 years old Walter Johnson, who had pitched a complete loss 48 hours ago (at that time there was no 'rest days'), for 4 innings before dropping the series on the 12th inning.
That was a true heartbreak, and the Giants, who went to the World Series for 4 consecutive years, didn't go back to the WS 9 years later on 1933. By then the manager John McGraw and most of the 1924 roster were gone.
And that was when there were only one division in each league. I don't think the Rangers are going back to the WS in this decade.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:14 am
Ogando didn't look tired. He looked like he was overthrowing. Hence, the poor command of the strike zone. He was likely overwhelmed by the pressure. It will be invaluable experience for him and the other green relievers who were dependable, but had a rough WS.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:42 am
31) They might actually benefit from that experience, but it's likely that they will probably be able to use that post season in a team other than Rangers.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:46 am
Burt Shotten...ahead of his time!
October 31st, 2011 at 11:23 am
In 1985, Saberhagen, Leibrandt, Gubicza, Black, Jackson, Quisenberry and Farr pitched all but 2 of the 124.2 innings the Royals played in the ALCS and WS (Joe Beckwith was the 8th pitcher who pitched, 2 innings in Game 4 of the WS). I would guess that using a small number of pitchers, like the Mets and A's did in 1973, wasn't that unusual in days past.
October 31st, 2011 at 11:56 am
I think everyone but one person, Ron Washington, knew Ogando should not have made 6 appearances in the 2011 Series.
October 31st, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Darold Knowles pitched 45+ games for the A's during all 3 World Series seasons (1972-74) but the 7 games from 1973 shown above were his only WS games as he broke his thumb in late September 1972 (after going 5-1 with a 1.69 ERA) and Alvin Dark chose not to use him in the 1974 WS. It goes to show that you never know when you have pitched in your last WS.
1972 was a tough year injury-wise for the A's as Reggie Jackson also missed the 1972 fall classic with an injury. Baseball-Reference/OPS+ favorite Gene Tenace stepped up to be a hero as the A's beat the Big Red Machine in 7.
October 31st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
I can't believe LaRussa started Pujols in game 6. I mean seriously, the guy had gone 0-fer-6, was clearly worn out after 11 solid seasons, his elbows were shot, his head wasnt right. I mean, let the Cubs sign him so he can help the Cardinals win next year with a .000 BA, which is clearly forecast from those 6 AB. Just give the Cubbies Ogando too, because he's so obviously on pace to allow 700 hits and 700 walks when he pitches 260 innings next year.
October 31st, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Almost as unbelievable as Washington running Ogando out there for 6 games was LaRussa running Jason Motte out there for 5. He is #17 on the list with an ERA over 6. He's got his ring, though.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:15 pm
@cabriael
91-92 Braves won world series in 95 = +3
77-78 Dodgers won in 81 = +3
63-64 Yankees won in 62 = -1
52-53 Dodgers won in 55 = +2
36-37 Giants had won in 33 = -3
23-24 Giants had won in 22 = -1
21-22 Yankees won in 23 = +1
Every team that has appeared in back to back WS has won at least one within +/- 3 years of the back to back appearance. I'd say that bodes well for the Rangers
October 31st, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Edit: Meant to say in Live ball era
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:31 am
39)And in almost all cases they had won at least one of the consecutive appearance. Not the Rangers, who lost both, the second in the most unlikely circumstances possible.
Again their closest parallel is the '23 Giants, and I don't think they are coming back in this decade.
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