Ron Gant
Posted by Andy on January 13, 2009
Ron Gant is one of just 6 guys to have multiple seasons with 30 HR but no more than 85 RBI:
From To Ages Seasons Link to Individual Seasons +-----------------+----+----+-----+-------+------------------------------+ Frank Robinson 1956 1960 20-24 3 Ind. Seasons Barry Bonds 1994 1999 29-34 2 Ind. Seasons Mickey Tettleton 1992 1995 31-34 2 Ind. Seasons Ron Gant 1990 1996 25-31 2 Ind. Seasons Tom Brunansky 1984 1987 23-26 2 Ind. Seasons Willie Stargell 1970 1979 30-39 2 Ind. Seasons
I don't know what to make of this. I always felt that Gant was not a very productive player and that his HR totals made him seem more valuable than he actually was. I sort of always wondered if he produced fewer non-HR RBI than other guys with similar HR totals.
Here's what I'm talking about.
First let's start with a snippet of the career HR list:
90. | Hank Greenberg+ | 331 | R |
91. | Shawn Green* (35) | 328 | L |
Mo Vaughn* | 328 | L | |
93. | Willie Horton | 325 | R |
94. | Gary Carter+ | 324 | R |
Lance Parrish | 324 | R | |
96. | Ron Gant | 321 | R |
97. | Vinny Castilla | 320 | R |
98. | Cecil Fielder | 319 | R |
Albert Pujols (28) | 319 | R | |
100. | Roy Sievers | 318 | R |
I'm going to ignore Albert Pujols since he's still active (and so his HR total doesn't reflect a career effort.) I'm also going to ignore Hank Greenberg and Roy Sievers because they played some before 1956 and I can't get their entire career breakdowns.
So that leaves us with this comparison group: Green, Vaughn, Horton, Carter, Parrish, Gant, Castilla, and Fielder.
These 8 guys all had basically the same number of career homers.
Careeer RBI: Carter 1225, Horton 1163, Castilla 1105, Parrish 1070, Green 1070, Vaughn 1064, Fielder 1008, Gant 1008
Career strikeouts: Parrish 1527, Vaugh 1429, Gant 1411, Fielder 1316, Green 1315, Horton 1313, Castilla 1069, Carter 997
A few notes: clearly Gary Carter is the best player in this group, with the most homers and fewest strikeouts. Gant ties with Fielder for fewest RBI despite the fact that Gant played in 362 more games than Fielder (remember that Fielder played in Japan for a stretch.) Gant is towards the front of the pack in strikeouts
But these totals are a tough gauge since we care more about rate statistics and RBI totals have a lot to do with the strength of the teams that these guys played on.
Here's what I really want to know, though.
Check out Ron Gant's HR log. Right under the main box, you can see that he had 489 RBI on his 321 career HR. That means he had 519 RBI during plate appearances that results in something other than HR. So, 48.5% of his career RBI came on homers.
Let's see what the percentages are for the other 7 players (I checked each of their career HR logs and made the above calculation.)
Carter 42.5%, Castilla 44.9%, Horton 47.4%, Parrish 47.8%, Green 47.9%, Gant 48.5%, Vaughn 50.5%, Fielder 53.8%
So remember, these numbers mean the percentage of that player's career RBI that came on homers. The implication is that the higher the number, the fewer other run-scoring hits or sacrifice flies the player had. I think that Gant and Fielder are pretty similar here--not terribly great hitters who swung for the fences a lot. They struck out a lot, hit a lot of homers, and got fewer RBIs in their non-HR plate appearances. Mo Vaughn is kind of a weird case, I think because his career ended early when he was forced to retire early due to injury. Vaughn missed his age 33 season and had only 79 AB after his age 34 season. Had he been able to play until age 38 or so, he would have finished with something more like 400 career HR and wouldn't be in this comparison group.
I'm not sure what this all means. I would really like to see a full list of career "RBI by homer" numbers for all players. I think it would reveal that Gant had a tendency toward more one-dimensionality of HR hitting. (NOTE I am not calling Gant one-dimensional...)
January 13th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Maybe it has something to do with the OBP of the guys in front of Gant in 90 and 96 compared to the rest of his career. When no one is on base it is hard to drive them in
January 13th, 2009 at 10:07 am
The strength of the teams definitely has something to do with it, but keep in mind that a higher team OBP means more guys on base for homers as well--in other words, on better teams, Gants would have driven in more runs with his homers, as well as gotten more run-scoring non-HR hits.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I've always felt that the HR is an overvalued statistic. The game is all about run production, regardless of how it's done. Tom Herr had 110 RBI in 1985 with only 8 home runs and 83 RBI in 1987 with only 2 HR. That's productivity. It also points out how important the rest of the lineup is in front of these guys.
Home runs make nice highlights for Sports Center and the numbers are gaudy sometimes, but to me, it doesn't matter how you produce runs, as long as they are scored.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:10 am
In the words of the inimitable Joe Morgan, the team that scores more runs has the best chance of winning.
January 13th, 2009 at 11:02 am
If memory serves, Vince Coleman was the Cards' leadoff hitter in '85. He had 110 steals and 107 runs scored, so chances are all Herr had to do was get a base hit to drive him in.
I remember the Phillies paying Gant $6 million in 1999 and he was a disappointment. They didn't score more runs than the other team very much that season.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Andy: Consider too that if Gant had runners on during his ABs, perhaps pitchers pitch differently to him - or any hitter for that matter. Solo home runs rarely kill an inning. A better measure would be his average with runners in scoring position.
January 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
You mentioned RBI _production_, so I compared those 8 players' RBI per AB in non-HR situations. Here's what I found:
Player ~HRAB ~HRBI AB/HR*
------ ----- ----- -----
Vaughn 5204 527 9.9
Fielder 4834 466 10.4
Castilla 6502 609 10.7
Carter 7647 704 10.9
Horton 6973 612 11.4
Gant 6128 519 11.8
Parrish 6743 559 12.1
Green 6754 557 12.1
-------- ----
Average 11.2
So Gant was below average for this group in terms of producing RBIs other than on HRs, but not quite as bad as Parrish or Green. If you take out AB in which the payer struck out as well, Gant moves up to 4th on the list at 9.1 AB/RBI (ahead of Horton and Carter), just a smidgeon below the group average of 8.9 AB/RBI.
As has been commented on already, this probably says as much about the teams Gant played for (and here he abtted in the lineup) as about Gant's abilities.