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SS With 10+ HR/SB

Posted by Steve Lombardi on August 27, 2010

This one isn't very sabermetrically sexy, but, somewhat interesting, nonetheless. How many players have had at least three seasons where they played 100+ games at SS while posting 10+ HR and 10+ SB?

Here's the answer to that question: For single seasons, From 1901 to 2010, Played 100 games at SS, (requiring HR>=10 and SB>=10), sorted by greatest Seasons matching criteria

Rk   Yrs From To Age  
1 Derek Jeter 15 1996 2010 22-36  
2 Barry Larkin 9 1987 2000 23-36  
3 Jimmy Rollins 8 2001 2009 22-30  
4 Edgar Renteria 8 1999 2007 22-30  
5 Alex Rodriguez 7 1996 2003 20-27  
6 Alan Trammell 6 1983 1990 25-32  
7 Hanley Ramirez 5 2006 2010 22-26  
8 Jose Valentin 5 1995 2000 25-30  
9 Shawon Dunston 5 1986 1997 23-34  
10 Rafael Furcal 4 2003 2006 25-28  
11 Nomar Garciaparra 4 1997 2003 23-29  
12 Alex Gonzalez 4 1996 2001 23-28  
13 Robin Yount 4 1980 1984 24-28  
14 Pee Wee Reese 4 1949 1953 30-34  
15 Jose Reyes 3 2006 2008 23-25  
16 Carlos Guillen 3 2004 2007 28-31  
17 Orlando Cabrera 3 2001 2004 26-29  
18 Greg Gagne 3 1986 1993 24-31  
19 Frankie Crosetti 3 1936 1939 25-28  
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Generated 8/27/2010.

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What's interesting here for me is how few in the game have done this - I mean, after all, we're just talking about ten homers and steals here. Granted, stopstops are often in there more for their glove than their bat; and, maybe that's the driver here?

In any event, Derek Jeter holds the "record" here. But, what if we moved the bar to 20/20? Here's the answer:

Rk   Yrs From To Age  
1 Hanley Ramirez 3 2007 2009 23-25  
2 Jimmy Rollins 3 2006 2009 27-30  
3 Alex Rodriguez 3 1997 1999 21-23  
4 Derek Jeter 2 2001 2004 27-30  
5 Barry Larkin 2 1991 1996 27-32  
6 Alan Trammell 2 1986 1987 28-29  
7 Troy Tulowitzki 1 2009 2009 24-24  
8 Nomar Garciaparra 1 1997 1997 23-23  
9 John Valentin 1 1995 1995 28-28  
10 Dickie Thon 1 1983 1983 25-25  
11 Robin Yount 1 1980 1980 24-24  
12 Toby Harrah 1 1975 1975 26-26  
13 Bert Campaneris 1 1970 1970 28-28  
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Generated 8/27/2010.

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Now, that's a much shorter list. And, given his age, Hanley Ramirez will probably be the king on this one very soon.

Related posts:

    Trivia time: what do these players have in common?

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16 Responses to “SS With 10+ HR/SB”

  1. largebill Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Am I the only one surprised that Barry Larkin had just two such seasons(20/20)? Makes his one 30/30 season seem like a bit of an anomaly.

  2. Raphy Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Disregarding position, 31 players have had ten 10/10 seasons. Jeter is second with 15.

    Rk Yrs From To Age
    1 Barry Bonds 16 1986 2001 21-36
    2 Derek Jeter 15 1996 2010 22-36
    3 Reggie Sanders 14 1992 2005 24-37
    4 Bobby Abreu 13 1998 2010 24-36
    5 Alex Rodriguez 13 1996 2009 20-33
    6 Gary Sheffield 13 1990 2007 21-38
    7 Devon White 13 1987 2001 24-38
    8 Paul Molitor 13 1982 1997 25-40
    9 Andre Dawson 13 1977 1990 22-35
    10 Joe Morgan 13 1965 1983 21-39
    11 Rickey Henderson 12 1982 1999 23-40
    12 Johnny Damon 11 1998 2009 24-35
    13 Mike Cameron 11 1997 2008 24-35
    14 Larry Walker 11 1990 2001 23-34
    15 Bobby Bonds 11 1969 1979 23-33
    16 Willie Davis 11 1961 1975 21-35
    17 Willie Mays 11 1955 1971 24-40
    18 Carlos Beltran 10 1999 2009 22-32
    19 Raul Mondesi 10 1994 2003 23-32
    20 Marquis Grissom 10 1992 2003 25-36
    21 Jeff Bagwell 10 1992 2003 24-35
    22 Ken Griffey 10 1989 1999 19-29
    23 Joe Carter 10 1985 1995 25-35
    24 Ryne Sandberg 10 1984 1996 24-36
    25 Claudell Washington 10 1975 1989 20-34
    Rk Yrs From To Age
    26 Gary Matthews 10 1973 1984 22-33
    27 Don Baylor 10 1972 1983 23-34
    28 Amos Otis 10 1970 1980 23-33
    29 Reggie Jackson 10 1968 1978 22-32
    30 Jim Wynn 10 1965 1976 23-34
    31 Frank Robinson 10 1957 1968 21-32
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    Generated 8/27/2010.
  3. John Q Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 9:01 am

    It's hard to remember now, but it was very rare to find a SS with more than 10 HR in a season before the 90's. Guys like Cal Ripken, Robin Yount, Alan Tramell, Jim Fregosi, and Roy Smalley were really the exception back in the 60's-70's-80's.

    I remember Dale Berra tied for the N.L. lead in HR by a SS with Rafael Ramirez with 10 home runs in 1982. And I remember Dale Berra was kind of considered as a SS with good power back then.

    Then by the late 90's it became common to see a middle infielder with 25+ HR in a season.

  4. Steve Lombardi Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Raphy - nice list. Wonder if Jeter will pass Bonds on that one next year?

  5. JR Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Hanley Ramirez was doing an impression of Wesley Snipes from Demolition Man at Shea this week with that orange hair.

  6. Steve Lombardi Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am

    You meant that wasn't a Rusty Staub tribute at Shea, errr, Citi, last night?

  7. John Autin Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Re: most 20/20 seasons by a SS:
    I note that A-Rod is tied for the lead with 3, and is also 2nd among 3Bs with 3 20/20 seasons (Howard Johnson leads with 5). A-Rod is one of 2 players who appear on both lists; care to guess the other one? It should be pretty easy just from looking at the SS list above.

    Don't mistake me for an A-Rod fan, but:

    -- He's the only career SS with at least 300 SB and 300 HRs, and one of just 3 with even 200 of each (Yount & Jeter are the others).

    -- Among all 40/40 seasons, A-Rod had the 2nd-best SB success rate at 78%. (Bonds had 85% in 1996.)

    -- His career SB success rate of 80.7% is one of the best since CS became an official stat. Of the 75 players with at least 300 SB since 1940, A-Rod ranks 14th in SB success rate -- a hair behind Joe Morgan, Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson, and better than Jose Reyes, Kenny Lofton and Barry Bonds, among others. A-Rod has more SB and a better success rate than Scott Podsednik and Frank Taveras, two players whose ability to steal bases was regarded as a big portion of their total value. (Podsednik 74.8%, Taveras 73.9%.)

    P.S. It will be at least 2 more seasons before A-Rod's games played at 3B (now 970) tops those played at SS (1272).

    P.P.S. Toby Harrah is the other man with a 20/20 season at both SS and 3B.

  8. David Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Barry Larkin = HOFer. Nuff said.

  9. Mike Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 11:29 am

    A true shame that A-Rod was not a career SS and the Jeter was moved to 3B where he belongs.

  10. sternfan1 Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    You might want to check Crosetti again. I don't see three consecutive years

  11. Lawrence Azrin Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    I think the frequency of the 10 HR/10SB combo is mainly a function of eras; only two players on the first list before 1970, and only one on the second list. In the dead-ball era, there were lots of stolen bases, but few HR, but I'm sure that if Wagner/ Cobb/ Speaker played today, they'd be in double figures for home runs almost every full season they played. Likewise, in the live-ball era, stolen bases were de-emphasized until the SB made a comeback in the early 60s; I'm also sure that Joe Dimaggio or Paul Waner could've stolen 10+ bases most years if they wanted to.

    Interesting lists still.

  12. sfduke76 Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Agreed, Lawrence that it is an "era-sensitive" list. Check out Honus Wagner: 1903-15, more than 100 games at SS. Only 1 season with 10 HR, but led league in slugging 4 times and RBI 3 times, and never had less than 20 SB. Led the league in SB AND SLG in the same season 3 times! What a hoss that guy was...

  13. Lawrence Azrin Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    #12: "sfduke76 -
    Check out Honus Wagner: Led the league in SB AND SLG in the same season 3 times!

    Ty Cobb led the AL in both SB and SLG 4 times, and from 1907 to 1919 was in the Top-10 in both categories every year, missing the Top-3 a total of five times. Wagner had a similar string from 1900 to 1909, missing the Top-3 a total of four times. Willie Mays was Top-10 in SB and SLG from 1954 to 1962, led in both in 1957. Most players stop stealing bases as they age, so you don't see that combination very often.

  14. Gerry Says:
    August 27th, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    Odd to see Crosetti on a list of positive offensive accomplishments. #10, it didn't say anywhere that the seasons were meant to be consecutive, no?

  15. dodgerdave Says:
    August 28th, 2010 at 3:04 am

    John Q - Didn't Dale Sveum slug 25 homers in 1987 while playing SS for the Brewers?

  16. MikeD Says:
    August 29th, 2010 at 3:25 am

    @9, Mike -- A-Rod would have been a better SS option than Jeter in 2004, yet that is no longer the case today and probably hasn't been since about 2004. Keep in mind that the last time A-Rod opened a season as a SS was in 2003 when he was 27, more than seven years ago. He just turned 35 last month. He's much bulkier, and has had hip surgery, which means even his 3B defensive skills have taken a hit. A-Rod at SS in 2010 would make Jeter look like Ozzie Smith. A-Rod's days as a SS are long, long, long gone.

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