2010 Hall of Fame Induction Resources
Posted by Sean Forman on July 25, 2010
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2010 Hall of Fame Induction
Sunday, July 25, 2010
Andre Dawson (77.9% of vote)
438 HR, 314 SB, 8 Gold Gloves, 1987 NL MVP, 27th All-Time Total Bases,
Center/Right Fielder for Expos, Cubs, Red Sox, Marlins, 1976-1996
Center/Right Fielder for Expos, Cubs, Red Sox, Marlins, 1976-1996
Whitey Herzog (manager)
1281-1125, .532 Winning Percentage, 1982 World Series Title, 1985 & 1987 NL Pennants, 1985 NL Manager of the Year
Manager for Cardinals, Royals, Rangers, and Angels, 1973-1990
Manager for Cardinals, Royals, Rangers, and Angels, 1973-1990
Doug Harvey (umpire)
Worked 5 World Series and 6 All-Star Games / Worked 4,673 games, 1962-1992.
July 25th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
After taking another look at Dawson's stats, I wonder if he will open the door for a lot of other borderline HOF players. Was he really a better player of his generation than Dale Murphy or Dave Parker?
July 25th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Personally I had Dawson as the Second Best Expo Outfielder, behind Raines. Maybe Hawk's induction will help Raines. I also had Dawson behind Dale Murphy, not sure where I would rank him vs. Parker.
I do see that the Hall of Fame Monitor and Hall of Fame Standards have Dawson slightly ahead of Murph, but I think Murphy put more runs on the board. I put a lot of stock in Runs Created. Raines did very well with this also.
As for opening a door, I really hate to use the Lowest Common Denominator approach. And as I don't think the writers really exhibit any group consistency, I don't think this will help Murphy or Parker.
July 25th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Well, I hate to say it, but it's the drug use that is keeping Raines & Parker out. Murphy, for some reason, retired mid-season with 2 HR shy of 400. If he had simply played out that season & passed that milestone, he'd be in already.
I'm rooting for all 3 of these guys, and Tommy John (he needs to wait for the Veteran's vote though).
July 25th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Murphy needs a big push in a big hurry to get in via the writers. he'll have to wait for the VC and they don't seem to want to vote anyone in. i think he should probably be in but won't hold my breath.
July 25th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
I don't see why Dawson is considered a borderline HOFer. Yes his SO/BB was weak, but still had a great combo of power/speed/fielding. He did reach a nuumber of significant milestones and was an 8 time All-Star. It's the Hall of Fame NOT the Hall of perfection.
July 25th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Did you guys see this today? http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore;_ylt=AjipJPj5uzvTf0LwvM4sFawRvLYF?gid=300725101
29 men LOB!
That obliterates the old record of 20 in a game. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/recbooks/left_on_base_records.shtml
Wow.
July 25th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
ESPN is also talking about how their own Jon Miller was inducted, but he only received the Ford C. Frick Award. According the HoF website, that award's honorees aren't actually inducted as Hall of Famers, they just get their name added to a plaque inside the hall.
July 25th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
I only count 20 LOB for both teams combined in that game you mentioned between Min-Bal.
July 25th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Djibouti,
your techically right, but most people consider the ford c frick award winner an entry to the hall of fame. call it the neighborhood play of the hall of fame
July 25th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Dale Murphy should be in the HOF--he was arguably the best player in the 1980s (Mike Schmidt and Eddie Murray also in that argument). His .265 career BA really hurts...but when you factor in back-to-back MVPs, 30-30 (at the time I believe only the 4th player to do it?), plus his consecutive games streak (something like 760 games--I think it's in the top 10 or 15 all time)...it's too bad he declined so quickly after 1987 (also bizarre how he didn't do better in the MVP voting that year--he should have been in the top 5 with his numbers...).
July 25th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
The twins only left 13 on base, the 29 is each players individual total which double counts the same runners. I know the Brewers left 17 on earlier this season which is probably the most for a 9 inning game this season.
July 25th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Sorry, guess that was an error on yahoo sports's box score (should've known!).
July 25th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Brian, there is no error in Yahoo's box score. You're confusing team LOB with individual player's LOB.
July 25th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
speaking of two time MVPs, i noticed Juan Gonzalez on the ballot for next year. he'd be an interesting subject for a poll.
July 25th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
ed: I'm not sure this is actually a writer for the HB times who left this.
July 26th, 2010 at 12:10 am
#15 Totally inappropriate & uncalled for.
My 2 cents is Raines & Murphy are both deserving with or without Dawson's selection. Parker does not belong in although he's better than Jim Rice.
July 26th, 2010 at 6:04 am
@#15 WTF?? That's a messed up comment.
July 26th, 2010 at 7:05 am
Wow @ #15 -- is that why they call it the 'hardball' times? How harsh over something so simple as an oversight! Do you want BBREF people to start slamming on your contributors @ HT?
July 26th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Truth be told Dawson's kind of an overrated player, he was great but I can think of about 60 position players as great of better than Andre who are not in the HOF. His time period with the Cubs is very overrated. His peak of being a great player is kind of short, 1981-1984, and he wasn't the same player when he played right field for the Cubs. His 1987 MVP is one of the worst selections in baseball history. He was probably no better than the 20th best player that season and to top it off his team finished LAST!
He gets in because he had good career length but there are about 16 position players better than Andre not in the HOF, 16 eligible about as good as Andre not in the HOF, 21 non-eligible not in the HOF, and about 7 non-eligible players about as good as Dawson. So that's about 60 position players equal to or better than Dawson not in the HOF. And that's not even counting pitchers.
Eligible position players better than Andre not in HOF:
Santo, Larkin, Trammell, Whitaker, Alomar, Grich, Edgar M., Dahlen, Raines, D. Allen,
Eligible position players slightly better than Andre not in the HOF:
R. Smith, K. Hernandez, Nettles, Wynn, Bando, and Minoso.
Eligible players about as good as Andre not in the HOF:
Dw. Evans, T. Simmons, J. Torre, Randolph, Boyer, W. Davis, Da. Evans, Tenace, Ventura, Hack, Glasscock, Bell, S. Magee, W. Clark, Bobby Bonds, and Cesar Cedeno.
Non eligible players better than Dawson:
Bonds, A-Rod, Pujols, Griffey, C. Jones, Bagwell, Thomas, J. Jackson, Rose, Edmonds, Jeter, Piazza, Thome, Walker, Biggio, Manny, Sosa, Sheffield, Lofton, A. Jones and Helton,
Non-Eligible position players about as good as Dawson:
Vlad, Beltran, Giambi, Olerud, Abreu, Kent, Suzuki,
July 26th, 2010 at 7:19 am
I forgot Raphael Palmeiro and Mcgwire on that list.
July 26th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Looks like Andy the Editor deleted post #15. Good for you Andy.
#19. Nice list. I don't agree with all your selections re: Dawson, but I agree with most of them. I think I would like it better if you had just left it to Outfielders, instead of including all position players.
July 26th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Just a side note--did anyone else watch Pedro Gomez's closing comments on the Sports Reporters this weekend? I tend to think of Gomez as a rather level-headed (hence, representative) reporter. He absolutely crushed the idea of anyone with performance enhancing question ever reaching the Hall of Fame. That would wipe out a considerable portion of #19's list.
July 26th, 2010 at 10:59 am
For the record it was just a bad joke, but so was Brian's misconception that a single game record could be smashed by 45% like that. It's not even possible to strand 29 men in a nine inning game. I could just imagine his delight at stumbling across a new major league record and not being able to wait to show off his discovery on the first baseball thread he could find. And then blaming Yahoo for his [error]? Come on.
July 26th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@14
Juan Gonzalez will not make the Hall as he was on the Mitchell Report. It is a shame too as he was an RBI machine for a while.
July 26th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
@24
Don't forget the fact Gonzalez basically fell off a cliff at 32:
Age WAR Games OPS+
31 4.7 140 148
32 0.2 70 99
33 0.2 82 122
34 -1 33 96
35 0.0 1 -100
After 2001 (age 31), Gonzalez just declined, but at 35 he IMPLODED. My point being, not only will a mediocre finish leave a bad taste in voters' mouths (see: Murphy, Dale), but his in particular will make the PED issue even more obvious.
July 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Juan Gonzalez was one of the most overrated players of the last 20 years and didn't deserve the two MVP awards he won. He was a horrible fielding right fielder who played in a great hitter's park during a great hitter's era. A-Rod or Griffey jr. should have won in 1996 and either Jeter, A-Rod, Belle or Nomar should have won the award in 1998.
July 26th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Gonzalez didn't decline/implode so much as simply get injured too much to perform. His final AB was a classic, when after not having played in a year, he finally returns, and gets hurt running to first base.
July 26th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
John Q couldn't be anymore way off base with comment 19. WOW!!
July 27th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Biff,
Care to expand on your comment @28 as why I'm "off-base"?