200 wins with the same team (Andy Pettitte joins the club)
Posted by Andy on June 12, 2010
Last night Andy Pettitte recorded his 200th win as a Yankee. Not too many players have recorded 200 wins with one team. Here is the complete list for all of baseball history.
| Rk | Lg | Tm | #Matching | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Atlanta Braves | 5 | Tom Glavine / Kid Nichols / Phil Niekro / John Smoltz / Warren Spahn | |
| 2 | San Francisco Giants | 5 | Carl Hubbell / Juan Marichal / Christy Mathewson / Amos Rusie / Mickey Welch | |
| 3 | Detroit Tigers | 4 | Hooks Dauss / Mickey Lolich / George Mullin / Hal Newhouser | |
| 4 | Cleveland Indians | 3 | Bob Feller / Mel Harder / Bob Lemon | |
| 5 | New York Yankees | 3 | Whitey Ford / Andy Pettitte / Red Ruffing | |
| 6 | Chicago White Sox | 2 | Red Faber / Ted Lyons | |
| 7 | Los Angeles Dodgers | 2 | Don Drysdale / Don Sutton | |
| 8 | Philadelphia Phillies | 2 | Steve Carlton / Robin Roberts | |
| 9 | St. Louis Cardinals | 2 | Bob Gibson / Jesse Haines | |
| 10 | Baltimore Orioles | 1 | Jim Palmer | |
| 11 | Boston Red Stockings | 1 | Al Spalding | |
| 12 | Buffalo Bisons | 1 | Pud Galvin | |
| 13 | Chicago Cubs | 1 | Charlie Root | |
| 14 | Cleveland Spiders | 1 | Cy Young | |
| 15 | Minnesota Twins | 1 | Walter Johnson | |
| 16 | Oakland Athletics | 1 | Eddie Plank | |
| 17 | Pittsburgh Pirates | 1 | Wilbur Cooper |
June 12th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Nice... and, worth noting--all 3 representatives from the Indians were teammates.
June 12th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Interesting that the Tigers are one of only three teams with at least four of these guys, and three of them aren't in the Hall of Fame (nor am I saying they should be.) All five Giants are in and all five Braves either are in (Niekro, Spahn, Nichols) or will be when eligible (Glavine, Smoltz -- though the latter I guess will bear debate). Does that make Detroit the champion of developing Hall of Really Good pitchers and keeping them long-term?
June 12th, 2010 at 11:41 am
"the same team" and "one team" are not the same thing.
June 12th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
The Giants traded Rusie for Mathewson. So they got 246W->372W chain out of that deal.
June 12th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Just like the Mets having 25 1-hitters pitched and no no-hitters, Seaver had 198 wins as a Met. As always, missed it by that much.
June 12th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Tbone82- the Braves just missed the 3 teammates list (Maddux had 194 wins as a Brave) & I think I'd rather have their 3-some than the Indians but that's still one heck of a rotation to have to face for almost a decade
June 12th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Sorry, Harder was older than I thought. Looks like he & Lemon only overlapped a couple of years.
June 12th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Cy Young almost did it twice! He had 192 wins with the Red Sox.
June 12th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
The other 2 Yankees are in the Hall of Fame. Is Pettite a Hall of Famer? I think 3 years in Houston will hurt his chances. Had he stayed with the Yanks he would be their all time winningest pitcher. That would punch his ticket. I think he is a borderline Hall of Famer at this point. If he pitches a couple more years and is as effective as he has been this year he should make it.
June 12th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
cy young with the Cleveland Spiders, the spiders are you kidding me what a name
June 13th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Walter Johnsons record will never be broken for most wins with one team.
June 13th, 2010 at 9:31 am
The Mets are odd in that they don't have anybody with 200 wins yet they've had 10 pitchers, roughly 10% of the pitchers with 200+ wins, play on their team at some point.
Hershiser
Lolich
Pedro
K. Rogers
Koosman
Tanana
Glavine
Seaver
Ryan
Spahn
The Mets have had only 3 players to even reach 100+ wins in the Franchise: Seaver, Koosman, and Gooden.
And in another odd list, there have been only 29 pitchers in mlb history to have more than 2500+ k's. The Mets have only 1 guy (Seaver) to accomplish this for the Mets franchise yet they've had 9, roughly 30% play on their team at some point.
Ryan
Seaver
Pedro
Lolich
Tanana
Cone
Glavine
Spahn
Koosman
June 13th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Without even looking, I'm going to guess that the effect of the Mets having a lot of those guys on their team at some point is true for some other big market teams, particularly the Yankees, and has to do with their above-average ability of signing higher-profile free agents over a long period of time.
June 13th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Strangely, Enen though they're a big market team, the Mets have keep that expansion team mentality by signing/trading for big names like: Spahn, Lolich, Tanana, Hershiser, Glavine, and Pedro who were past their prime.
Cone they just didn't want to pay, so they traded him, which I still don't quite understand.
Ryan was traded early. Rogers was a (Terrance Long) trade during the '99 season. Pitched well in '99 in Aug-Sept, but then was horrible in the post-season. And Koosman asked out after 1978.
Seaver was a money/ownership issue in '77, then they brought him back and then they left him unprotected in '83 which was an odd decision, seriously who were they protecting, Brent Gaff over Seaver? There were rumors that he was a pain in the neck to the new owners so that's why they left him unprotected in '83. That decision though might have cost the Mets a divison title in '84-85.
June 14th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I don't know you even need to be a big market team. Most players who last 15+ years play on multiple teams in their careers. I'd guess that if you ran these numbers for every team, you'd find that a lot of teams have seen a lot of 200 game winners on their team at one point or another, the exception perhaps being small market teams who would never spring for an expensive free agent.
You only have to play one game for a team to be on the list of people who played for team X. To win 200 games for team X or get 2500Ks for team X, you have to stay on that team for a long time. Plenty of pitchers who have more than those numbers in their career, never stayed on the same team long enough to do it.
June 15th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
The Mets are odd in that they don't have anybody with 200 wins yet they've had 10 pitchers, roughly 10% of the pitchers with 200+ wins, play on their team at some point.
Considering they've only existed for 49 seasons, yes, the Mets have employed quite a few 200-game winners. Ten in 49 seasons is the second-highest "rate" among all current teams, just ahead of the Indians (22 in 110 seasons). First place, by a wide margin, is the Yankees — 32 in 110 seasons.
Full list of all 200-game winners who have pitched for the Yankees, and the number of games each won while in pinstripes:
Ford 236, Ruffing 231, Pettitte 200+, Pennock 162, Hoyt 157, Mussina 123, John 91, Clemens 83, Quinn 81, Mays 80, Orth 72, Wells 68, Sam Jones 67, Hunter 63, McGinnity 39, Johnson 34, Phil Niekro 32, Griffith 32, Powell 31, Tiant 21, Rogers 18, Joe Niekro 14, Brown 14, Uhle 8, Newsom 7, Coveleski 5, Gaylord Perry 4, Reuschel 4, Kaat 2, Grimes 1, Tanana 0, Burdette 0.
That's quite a few guys (13, or 41%) with fewer than thirty wins as a Yankee. By comparison, six of the ten 200-game winners (60%) mentioned by John Q in #12 above won fewer than thirty games as a Met. There are three teams with higher rates of "sub-30" 200-game winners: The Padres (5 of 6, 83%, excluding only Gaylord Perry's 33 Padres wins), the Cardinals (13 of 20, 65%), and the Reds (12 of 19, 63%). So the Mets and Yankees are hardly the only teams to have employed faded/fading 200-game winners for brief stretches.
Here's a fun stat. You'll notice that both Tanana and Burdette failed to win a game with the Yanks. Only one other team has trotted out more than one 200-game winner who went winless with that team: the Reds, with five (Weyhing and Rusie in 1901, Haines in 1918, Quinn in 1933, and Reuss in 1987). Haines in 1918 was at the very start of his big-league career.