7 Responses to “WAR data now on Awards Voting Summaries”

1. DavidRF Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 5:11 pm

   Thanks Sean & Sean.

   Zoilo Versalles thanks you both as well. Maybe his MVP will get more respect now that its WAR-certified. 🙂

2. Johnny Twisto Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 6:24 pm

   Have any players with negative WAR ever gotten a vote? I hope so.

3. Kahuna Tuna Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 7:15 pm

   Have any players with negative WAR ever gotten a vote? I hope so.

   It used to happen fairly often; less so in recent years. Players with negative WAR receiving at least one MVP vote:

   1911: George Gibson, Jimmy Walsh, Johnny Kling
   1912: Joe Birmingham
   1913: Heinie Wagner, Mickey Doolan, Armando Marsans
   1922: Bill Wambsganss, George Cutshaw
   1924: Wally Gerber, Chick Galloway
   1925: Benny Bengough
   1926: Oscar Melillo, Phil Todt, Wally Gerber
   1927: Bobby Reeves, Bill Regan, Jack Rothrock, Phil Todt
   1928: Fresco Thompson
   1932: Rabbit Maranville
   1933: Rabbit Maranville, Jim Levey, Marty McManus
   1936: Eric McNair
   1938: Pete Fox, Leo Durocher
   1939: Myril Hoag
   1940: Dick Bartell, Bob Kennedy
   1941: Elden Auker
   1942: Rick Ferrell
   1943: Dick Siebert
   1944: George Kell
   1945: Roy Schalk, Al Lopez
   1947: Mark Christman
   1950: Ken Wood, Sam Dente, Dave Philley
   1952: Billy Cox
   1955: Jose Valdivielso
   1956: Johnny Kucks, Bob Buhl
   1957: Del Ennis
   1961: Bobby Richardson
   1962: Ed Roebuck
   1965: Bobby Richardson
   1966: Jack Sanford, Glenn Beckert
   1967: Elston Howard
   1969: Ernie Banks
   1974: Jack Billingham
   1980: Tony Perez
   1989: Mookie Wilson
   1990: Joe Carter, Pedro Guerrero
   1992: George Bell
   1997: Deivi Cruz, Tony Womack
   2005: Jorge Cantu

   The lowest WAR number I recall seeing was -2.0 (Sam Dente, 1950).

4. Josh Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 7:35 pm

   I'm glad to see that in 2008, no fewer than 7 players had higher WAR values in the AL than Dustin Pedroia.

5. Johnny Twisto Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 8:22 pm

   Wow Tuna, how did you do that search? I should have remembered that Elston Howard '67 vote, always found that very bizarre. I think Sean Smith would admit that his defensive system is pretty rough when it comes to pre-Retrosheet years, so that could partially account for a lot of those.

   Josh, most of those players ahead of Pedroia in '08 are well within the margin of error, especially considering that WAR is not context-dependent (I think), so doesn't account for hitting with RISP, performance in a pennant race, etc. Only Mauer blew him away. When I did my own (unrefined) analysis, I had them much closer and thought Pedroia was very legit choice -- and I hate the Sox.

6. Austyn Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 10:59 pm

   So i was looking at the AL Rookie of the Year since 1990, and so far in 1990 Scott Radinsky finished 9th with a WAR of -0.5, in 1994 Chris Gomez had a WAR of -0.7 and finished 4th, in 1995 Ray Durham had WAR of -0.9 and finished 6th, in 1996 Tony Clark had a WAR of -0.4 and finished 3rd, in 1997 Deivi Cruz had a WAR of -0.6 and finished 4th, in 2001 Alfonso Soriano had a WAR of -0.5 and finished 3rd, in 2007 Delmon Young had a WAR of -1.1 and finished 2nd

7. Austyn Says:
   May 24th, 2010 at 11:08 pm

   So i was bored and still interested in looking at now all RoY winners since i figured these guys would be the most likely to be replaced. I was looking either the lowest number to win, or possibly see if any negative values won and i found the lowest WAR to win the AL RoY was -0.1 in 1971 by Chris Chambliss of the Indians and -1.2 for the NL in 1962 by Ken Hubbs of the Cubs.