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Posted by Steve Lombardi on January 19, 2008
The Yankees' Mike Mussina will be 39-years old this season. I was wondering how many pitchers, age 39 or older, started at least 25 games for the Yankees and had good seasons. So, I turned to Baseball-Reference.com's Play Index Pitching Season Finder and set it for "Playing for the NYY, For single seasons, From 1901 to 2007, From Age 39 to 99, (requiring GS>=25), sorted by greatest ERAp" and I found this list:
Cnt Player **ERA+** GS Year Age Tm Lg G CG SHO GF W L W-L% SV IP H R ER BB SO ERA HR BF AB 2B 3B IBB HBP SH SF GDP SB CS Pk BK WP BA OBP SLG OPS OPS+ Pit Str +----+-----------------+--------+--+----+---+---+--+---+--+---+--+--+--+-----+--+-----+---+---+---+---+---+------+--+----+----+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+ 1 Phil Niekro 123 31 1984 45 NYY AL 32 5 1 1 16 8 .667 0 215.2 219 85 74 76 136 3.09 15 916 821 35 5 0 3 5 11 23 9 12 0 0 2 .267 .327 .376 .703 98 2 David Wells 118 31 2002 39 NYY AL 31 2 1 0 19 7 .731 0 206.1 210 100 86 45 137 3.75 21 873 812 51 3 2 5 6 5 13 14 4 1 0 4 .259 .300 .406 .706 86 3183 2150 3 Roger Clemens 112 33 2003 40 NYY AL 33 1 1 0 17 9 .654 0 211.2 199 99 92 58 190 3.91 24 878 806 42 3 1 5 3 6 10 20 8 0 0 5 .247 .299 .396 .695 84 3455 2184 4 Randy Johnson 112 34 2005 41 NYY AL 34 4 0 0 17 8 .680 0 225.2 207 102 95 47 211 3.79 32 920 851 38 3 2 12 5 5 14 23 14 4 1 3 .243 .291 .408 .699 85 3423 2310 5 Tommy John 110 33 1987 44 NYY AL 33 3 1 0 13 6 .684 0 187.2 212 95 84 47 63 4.03 12 802 736 31 3 7 6 12 1 27 17 6 1 0 9 .288 .335 .387 .722 91 6 Tommy John 108 26 1982 39 NYY AL 30 9 2 2 10 10 .500 0 186.2 190 84 76 34 54 3.66 11 766 715 25 12 1 3 7 7 22 5 6 0 2 5 .266 .299 .380 .679 87 7 David Wells 106 30 2003 40 NYY AL 31 4 1 0 15 7 .682 0 213 242 101 98 20 101 4.14 24 887 846 54 3 0 8 6 7 18 16 5 4 0 3 .286 .306 .442 .748 96 3008 2126 8 Roger Clemens 102 29 2002 39 NYY AL 29 0 0 0 13 6 .684 0 180 172 94 87 63 192 4.35 18 768 688 43 2 6 7 5 5 9 23 5 3 0 14 .250 .317 .397 .714 89 3110 1972 9 Phil Niekro 98 33 1985 46 NYY AL 33 7 1 0 16 12 .571 0 220 203 110 100 120 149 4.09 29 955 829 37 6 1 2 1 3 27 22 5 1 2 5 .245 .341 .409 .750 107 10 Randy Johnson 90 33 2006 42 NYY AL 33 2 0 0 17 11 .607 0 205 194 125 114 60 172 5.00 28 860 777 39 3 1 10 6 7 12 21 10 1 2 3 .250 .309 .416 .725 85 3257 2136 11 Tommy John 89 32 1988 45 NYY AL 35 0 0 2 9 8 .529 0 176.1 221 96 88 46 81 4.49 11 776 717 43 3 4 6 5 2 29 15 4 0 5 5 .308 .354 .423 .777 118 12 Joe Niekro 84 25 1986 41 NYY AL 25 0 0 0 9 10 .474 0 125.2 139 84 68 63 59 4.87 15 571 505 26 4 3 1 1 0 9 23 1 0 1 10 .275 .357 .432 .789 115 13 Luis Tiant 80 25 1980 39 NYY AL 25 3 0 0 8 9 .471 0 136.1 139 79 74 50 84 4.89 10 588 524 28 11 3 1 6 7 7 18 7 1 0 2 .265 .326 .418 .744 104 Seasons/Careers found: 13.
First, the obvious thing - wow, only 13 seasons where a pitcher has made 25+ starts for the Yankees, where they were age 39 or older. And, it never happened before 1980.
Basically, we're looking at seven pitchers here - Luis Tiant, Tommy John, Phil Niekro, Joe Niekro, David Wells, Roger Clemens, and Randy Johnson. Mussina will become the eighth, this season, if he makes 25 or more starts.
This list shows that it's not impossible for a Yankees pitcher to be 39-or-older, make 25+ starts, and pitch well. But, it helps if you have a good fastball, knuckler, or sinker.
Then again, there's always the Black & Decker approach too.
February 2nd, 2008 at 3:22 am
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