Two Games, Four Teams, Three Losers?
Posted by Steve Lombardi on March 4, 2010
I was just playing around with Baseball-Reference.com's Play Index Team Pitching Game Finder...setting the controls for team pitching performances, since 1954, where IP>=18, HR=0 and SO<=9, and I got this list:
| Rk | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | Pit | Str | IR | IS | BF | AB | 2B | 3B | IBB | HBP | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | PO | # | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 2003-04-27 | FLA | STL | L 6-7 | 20.0 | 22 | 7 | 6 | 5 | 8 | 0 | 290 | 186 | 2 | 0 | 83 | 73 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 2.70 |
| 2 | 2001-05-29 | ARI | SFG | W 1-0 | 18.0 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 10 | 9 | 0 | 249 | 141 | 4 | 0 | 69 | 57 | 4 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 0.00 |
| 3 | 1993-08-31 | MIN | CLE | W 5-4 | 22.0 | 16 | 4 | 2 | 7 | 8 | 0 | 288 | 173 | 3 | 1 | 85 | 76 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 0.82 |
| 4 | 1984-09-06 | ATL | LAD | W 3-2 | 18.0 | 12 | 2 | 2 | 6 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 71 | 63 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 1.00 | ||
| 5 | 1983-05-27 | STL | HOU | W 3-1 | 18.0 | 11 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 8 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 66 | 63 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 0.50 | ||
| 6 | 1982-04-13 | CAL | SEA | W 4-3 | 20.0 | 15 | 3 | 2 | 6 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 77 | 70 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0.90 | ||
| 7 | 1979-08-25 | SDP | PIT | L 3-4 | 19.0 | 14 | 4 | 4 | 10 | 9 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 75 | 63 | 4 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1.89 | ||
| 8 | 1979-06-18 | HOU | NYM | W 3-2 | 18.0 | 15 | 2 | 2 | 10 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 75 | 62 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 1.00 | ||
| 9 | 1976-08-25 | NYY | MIN | W 5-4 | 19.0 | 12 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 73 | 68 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1.42 | ||
| 10 | 1973-05-24 | NYM | LAD | W 7-3 | 19.0 | 19 | 3 | 2 | 9 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 82 | 71 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0.95 | ||
| 11 | 1972-08-08 | CIN | LAD | W 2-1 | 19.0 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 68 | 64 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0.47 | ||
| 12 | 1972-06-07 (2) | PIT | SDP | W 1-0 | 18.0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 63 | 57 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0.00 | ||
| 13 | 1972-05-17 | TEX | KCR | W 4-3 | 18.0 | 16 | 3 | 3 | 6 | 8 | 0 | 4 | 1 | 70 | 61 | 5 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 1.50 | ||
| 14 | 1967-07-26 (2) | NYY | MIN | L 2-3 | 18.0 | 9 | 3 | 1 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 68 | 63 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0.50 | ||
| 15 | 1967-07-26 (2) | MIN | NYY | W 3-2 | 18.0 | 10 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 65 | 62 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 1.00 | ||
| 16 | 1965-10-02 (2) | NYM | PHI | T 0-0 | 18.0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 7 | 0 | 34 | 27 | 0 | 0 | 63 | 59 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0.00 |
| 17 | 1959-08-06 | BAL | CHW | T 1-1 | 18.0 | 7 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 66 | 57 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0.50 | ||
| 18 | 1959-08-06 | CHW | BAL | T 1-1 | 18.0 | 12 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 68 | 64 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0.50 | ||
| 19 | 1955-07-19 | MLN | PIT | L 3-4 | 18.1 | 17 | 4 | 3 | 8 | 2 | 0 | 78 | 66 | 5 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 6 | 1.47 |
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Right away, those games from August 6, 1959 and July 26, 1967 caught my eye - since both teams pitched so efficiently in those contests.
Looking at the final scores in each, I can't imagine which was worse: Losing a game like this on an unearned run (as was the case in 1967) or playing all that time and then having the game called as a tie (as was the case in 1959). For the record, the White Sox had a shot in that tie - with runners on second and third in the 18th inning - albeit with two outs.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Ouch, that 1967 game had to smart for the Yanks. It was an E2 on a bad throw that moved the runner to 3rd.
The person to feel really bad for is Bill Monboquette. Out of the PEN, he threw basically a complete game three hit shutout.
PS - Roy White, third base? And they say the METS had 3B problems.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:25 am
Totally not related to this post.... sorry.
I heard about a guy in the NHL who at the recent trading deadline was traded back to a team he had already been traded away from earlier in the season and was wondering if there was anyway to look and see if that had ever happened before in MLB? Or even if somebody had even had two stints with the same team twice in the same year, with a different team or teams in the middle? Any ideas?
Again, sorry for being off topic, I just didn't see anywhere else to ask...
March 5th, 2010 at 9:14 am
I hate to perpetuate the straying off-topic, but in response to Thomas' inquiry, check out these lines on Harry Chiti's page:
April 26, 1962: Purchased by the New York Mets from the Cleveland Indians.
June 15, 1962: Returned to the Cleveland Indians by the New York Mets following previous purchase.
We return you now to your regularly scheduled conversation ...
March 5th, 2010 at 10:45 am
LIST FOUND AT ANSWERS.YAHOO.COM POSTED 2 YEARS AGO
LEW DRILL WAS LOANED FORM WASHINGTON TO BALTIMORE FOR TWO GAMES
THE DUCEY EXCHANGE WAS THE MOST RECENT ON THIS LIST INVOLVING TWO SEPARATE TRADES
SOME INVOLVED WAIVER CLAIMS OR SIGNING AFTER RELEASE BY ONE TEAM
JEFF MANTO MADE THE LIST TWICE. HE HAD 30 ITEMS ON HIS TRANSACTION LIST FOR A 16 (MINOR/MAJOR LEAGUE) YEAR CAREER
Sport McAllister 1902 DET
Lew Drill 1902 WS1
Hal O'Hagen 1902 NY1
Jim Mullin 1904 PHA
Doc Marshall 1904 NY1
Frank Huelsman 1904 CHA
Doc Powers 1905 PHA
N!g Clarke 1905 CLE
Gabby Street 1905 CIN
Pat Donahue 1910 PHA
Art Kruger 1910 CLE
Doc Crandall 1913 NY1
Earl Hamilton 1916 SLA
Mule Watson 1920 BSN
Hy Myers 1925 SLN
Manny Salvo 1943 BSN
Hank Behrman 1947 BRO
Johnny Hopp 1949 PIT
Marv Rackley 1949 BRO
Johnny Ostrowski 1950 CHA
Willy Miranda 1952 CHA
Fred Marsh 1952 SLA
Murray Wall 1959 BOS
Bob Porterfield 1959 PIT
Frank Fernandez 1971 OAK
Wayne Nordhagen 1982 TOR
Jeff Manto 1996 BOS
Tim Pugh 1996 CIN
John Johnstone 1997 SFN
Greg McMichael 1998 NYN
Matt Luke 1998 LAN
Jeff Manto 1998 CLE
Rob Ducey 2000 PHI
Jermaine Clark 2003 TEX
Ken Huckaby 2004 TEX
March 5th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Harry Chiti is famous because he was effectively traded "for himself", but his playing time with the Cleveland Indians organization was only in AAA. He only played for one major league team that year.
The question is a bit more general than the Harry Chiti case. Several dozen players have played for a same team in two separate stints in the same season (playing for another MLB team in between).
The most recent:
Ken Huckaby-TEX-2004
Jermaine Clark-TEX-2003
Rob Ducey-PHI-2000
Ed Sprague-SDP-2000
Matt Luke-LAD-1998
Greg McMichael-NYM-1998
Jeff Manto-CLE-1998 (also did it with BOS-1996!)
...getting lazy... johnsjo07-1997,pughti01-1996,nordhwa01-1982,fernafr01-1971,wallmu01-1959,etc...
... back to the regularly schedule conversation...
March 5th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Whoops... CHUCK beat me to it. Thanks CHUCK!
March 5th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Regarding Smed's comment about Monbo, here's one better:
In the 1959 game, Wilhelm nearly pitched a rare "no-hitter in relief." Relieving Billy O'Dell at the start of the ninth inning, Wilhelm held the White Sox hitless for 8-2/3 innings before finally surrendering a hit in the 17th. Only Ernie Shore ever fashioned a longer spell of no-hit relief.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
10/2/65, second game of a doubleheader, Phillies and Mets played to a scoreless tie in 18 innings. No big whoop, except that both starting pitchers, Chris Short and Rob Gardner, pitched 15 scoreless innings (game scores of 114 and 112, respectively); the Mets also were shut out in the first game of the doubleheader; and the season ended the following day with the teams playing another doubleheader (Phils swept, 3-1 and 3-1). The back-to-back doubleheaders must have been a wearying way for the Mets to wrap up a 50-112 season. Mets hitters scored two runs in their final 45 innings.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
Perhaps even more amazing, in 15 innings Gardner threw only 34 pitches! 😉
March 6th, 2010 at 12:08 am
Yeah, I don't think the pitch counts should even be displayed if they're incomplete. They don't really add any value and are likely to cause confusion.
March 6th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
You're right, Johnny. In fact, they subtract value, because although in this case it is obviously incomplete, in other cases it might not be obvious and could end up being interpreted as a legitimate stat.