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Call me underwhelmed. Dawson was a very good player but not quite HOF-worthy (although I was a huge fan of Dawson and those great Expos outfields).
Does he get in without the .287-49-137 in 1987 and the MVP award? Do the voters know or care that he batted .246 away from Wrigley that year with only a .768 OPS.
Oh well, no one asked for my vote 🙂 and I do congratulate Dawson on the culmination of an outstanding career.
On another note, nice to see Rik Aalbert Blyleven getting some momentum, and very nice to see Alomar *not* get in on the first ballot. I assume he will be a second balloteer unless some revelation comes out in the next year (was he the only Oriole in the 90's not on the juice?) Wish class acts like Trammell and Larkin would get a little more support.
Anyone else surprised that Galarraga is "one and done" at only 4%? Sure he had some of his best years in Colorado, but he also put up solid numbers in Montreal and Atlanta, and I thought he'd do a lot better just based on the 399 HR and his career longevity.
Playing your ball in Coors may turn out to be more of a HOF handicap than steroids! It will be interesting to see what happens when Helton becomes eligible...
Congrats to Andre Dawson, and good luck next year to Alomar and Blyleven (it will be the one!). What I find most fascinating is that someone voted for David Segui. Better than average hitter, average fielder...Hall of Famer? Nothing of note in his career other than being in the Mitchell Report.
I wonder how much the 1994 strike will hurt him, too. If Montreal wins the World Series that year (don't laugh, they led the majors in wins when the season was canceled), Walker's cred probably gets a huge boost. Although HoF voter types weirdly saw Moises Alou as being way more important to Montreal than Walker that year:
I'm kind of disappointed that Robby Alomar didn't get in first ballot. I thought he was a surefire candidate. He was an excellent 2nd baseman and added a great average.
Robby Alomar was a great player but was and is a bad apple. I don't mind the HOF voters sending him a message by making him wait a year. I bet there are a lot of folks who wish they could get their Kirby Puckett votes back.
The Segui vote was mine. Did you know that from 1995 through 2001, he had an OPS+ of at least 107 every season, putting him in the company of future HOFers like Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez, Mike Piazza, Barry Bonds, Jeff Bagwell, Chipper Jones... Only 17 players in the history of the major leagues managed that illustrious feat.
Maybe Segui ran a Jim-Deshaies-type campaign looking for a single vote and got one of the writers to take the bait. Who knows? Funny thing is that Segui bounced around so much that its hard to imagine him getting a "homer vote". I guess he started and ended his career in Baltimore, but he didn't have any of his good years there. Anyhow, an amusing footnote to the ballot. Go Segui!!! 🙂
...and all players who got less than 5%. Also, what happened to the 1st ballot poeple in 2011? they are not there, but in 2012, there are many 2nd ballot poeple listed.
p.s. just for kicks, it would be appropriate to take blyleven and alomar off of the 2012 ballot, they'll be in by then.
Funny, I always thought Dawson clearly belonged in the HOF. There are 15 guys who have over 2700 hits, 425 HR and 1500 RBI's. Each one who is eligible is in the HOF. When you throw in over 300 SB's, there are only three players who have ever done that. Yes, his OPS is on the low side, but it is higher than Ripken's, who is one of the 15 I mentioned earlier. Dawson struck out a lot and didn't get too many BB's. But his slugging percentage is higher than Winfield, Murray, Yaz, and Ripken. And I wasn't even following baseball while he was playing, so I wasn't a fan of his. Congratulations Andre Dawson. By the way, I got all the information cited above from the play index on this website.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Call me underwhelmed. Dawson was a very good player but not quite HOF-worthy (although I was a huge fan of Dawson and those great Expos outfields).
Does he get in without the .287-49-137 in 1987 and the MVP award? Do the voters know or care that he batted .246 away from Wrigley that year with only a .768 OPS.
Oh well, no one asked for my vote 🙂 and I do congratulate Dawson on the culmination of an outstanding career.
On another note, nice to see Rik Aalbert Blyleven getting some momentum, and very nice to see Alomar *not* get in on the first ballot. I assume he will be a second balloteer unless some revelation comes out in the next year (was he the only Oriole in the 90's not on the juice?) Wish class acts like Trammell and Larkin would get a little more support.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Anyone else surprised that Galarraga is "one and done" at only 4%? Sure he had some of his best years in Colorado, but he also put up solid numbers in Montreal and Atlanta, and I thought he'd do a lot better just based on the 399 HR and his career longevity.
Playing your ball in Coors may turn out to be more of a HOF handicap than steroids! It will be interesting to see what happens when Helton becomes eligible...
January 6th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Or Larry Walker, who has 10 more WAR than Dawson and just as many MVPs, but whose best seasons came in Colorado.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
My thought exactly, Neil. Larry Walker is a fascinating case. I wonder how much his strong finish with St Louis will factor in too.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Congrats to Andre Dawson, and good luck next year to Alomar and Blyleven (it will be the one!). What I find most fascinating is that someone voted for David Segui. Better than average hitter, average fielder...Hall of Famer? Nothing of note in his career other than being in the Mitchell Report.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
I wonder how much the 1994 strike will hurt him, too. If Montreal wins the World Series that year (don't laugh, they led the majors in wins when the season was canceled), Walker's cred probably gets a huge boost. Although HoF voter types weirdly saw Moises Alou as being way more important to Montreal than Walker that year:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1994.shtml#NLmvp
(I say weirdly because Alou was only worth 0.2 more WAR that year.)
January 6th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
I'm kind of disappointed that Robby Alomar didn't get in first ballot. I thought he was a surefire candidate. He was an excellent 2nd baseman and added a great average.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
I want to know who voted for Segui.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Robby Alomar was a great player but was and is a bad apple. I don't mind the HOF voters sending him a message by making him wait a year. I bet there are a lot of folks who wish they could get their Kirby Puckett votes back.
January 6th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
The Segui vote was mine. Did you know that from 1995 through 2001, he had an OPS+ of at least 107 every season, putting him in the company of future HOFers like Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez, Mike Piazza, Barry Bonds, Jeff Bagwell, Chipper Jones... Only 17 players in the history of the major leagues managed that illustrious feat.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Maybe Segui ran a Jim-Deshaies-type campaign looking for a single vote and got one of the writers to take the bait. Who knows? Funny thing is that Segui bounced around so much that its hard to imagine him getting a "homer vote". I guess he started and ended his career in Baltimore, but he didn't have any of his good years there. Anyhow, an amusing footnote to the ballot. Go Segui!!! 🙂
January 6th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
He also led the league in ERA+ in 1970... oh wait, never mind, that was his dad.
If you added 92 wins and 71 saves to David's career, you might almost have a HOF'er.
January 6th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Dawson was great, but I think Tim Raines was more deserving.
January 7th, 2010 at 1:35 am
sean, you should maybe take Dawson's name off of the 2011 HOF ballot bbref page.
January 7th, 2010 at 2:02 am
...and all players who got less than 5%. Also, what happened to the 1st ballot poeple in 2011? they are not there, but in 2012, there are many 2nd ballot poeple listed.
p.s. just for kicks, it would be appropriate to take blyleven and alomar off of the 2012 ballot, they'll be in by then.
January 7th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Funny, I always thought Dawson clearly belonged in the HOF. There are 15 guys who have over 2700 hits, 425 HR and 1500 RBI's. Each one who is eligible is in the HOF. When you throw in over 300 SB's, there are only three players who have ever done that. Yes, his OPS is on the low side, but it is higher than Ripken's, who is one of the 15 I mentioned earlier. Dawson struck out a lot and didn't get too many BB's. But his slugging percentage is higher than Winfield, Murray, Yaz, and Ripken. And I wasn't even following baseball while he was playing, so I wasn't a fan of his. Congratulations Andre Dawson. By the way, I got all the information cited above from the play index on this website.