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30 Responses to “Bloops: Tony Phillips – Still Playing, And Fighting, For A Dollar”
Well, long-story short, the Yuma team has got a lot of publicity this season. And if I recall, this wasn't the first time Canseco and Yuma have been involved in an on-field feud.
He's 16 for 49 in 16 games.
Jose Canseco (player/manager) is 45 for 173 with 8 HR's and a 1-2 pitching record.
Ozzie Canseco (player/pitching coach) is 8 for 31.
This Mike Marshall is the other one who played from 1981 to 1991 in the outfield
Marshall is pursuing battery charges? Wasn't that him running at full speed toward Tony Phillips? And not that it matters but Marshall is 6' 5" while Phillips is 5' 9". He should be embarrassed for several reasons.
Marshall is a fag - look how he goes in to that fight. What a wuss. Jesus, I'd turn to hard drugs if I was Marshall - anything to forget the embarrassment of that... how sad... Mike Marshall the 208-innings-entirely-in-relief-cy-young-award-winning-god ought to kick the other belinda-carlisle-dating-lame-howards-TV-commercial-poof and make him stop using the name.
This 'Mike Marshal' - came out of one of the hottest farm systems in history. The late 70's early 80's Dodgers, whom just kept on putting quality players on the field.
Besides their then record - 4 consecutive Rookie of the Year winners; ('79: Sutcliffe, '80 Howe, '81 Valenzuela, '82 Sax) They had Pedro Guerrero debut in 78, but not get to be a regular till '82. But in between managed (from 78-81) 203 games & 658 PA for a .305 AVG 21 HR and a 130 OPS+.
Mickey Hatcher hit .370 and .359 for their AAA affiliate (Albuquerque PCL) in 79-80, where he was teammates with his current boss Mike Scioscia (Angels), and current over achieving NL managers -Terry Collins (Mets), Gary Roenicke (Brewers).
The next year, '81 - a 21 year old Marshal tore up AAA and won the PCL Triple Crown, 34HR 137 RBI .373/.445/.675/1.120 with 21 SB. Too bad he never lived up to the hype. Neither did his 20 year old teammate, Candy Maldando, who had a pretty decent year as well:
40 2B 9 3B 21 HR 104 RBI .335/.398/.598/.996.
Other notables from those Dodger teams of the 80's:
Bob Welch - 1977
Orel Heirsheiser - 1979
Alejandro Pena - 1978
Sid Bream - 1980
Dave Stewart - 1976
Tom Niedenfuer - 1980
Sid Fernandez - 1981
Mariano Duncan - 1978
Tony was always one of the most exciting players to watch when he was with the A's - always in the middle of everything it seemed. Not a surprise. I don't like fighting, but I guess I'm impressed that he's still out there playing and being aggressive like before.
Wow, just watched the video and Mike Marshall really does make himself look like a tool by pursuing battery charges as others have mentioned! And that is something else that Tony Phillips is still playing ball.
Just saw the video... no way does Mike Marshall have any case. He was hit AFTER he crossed over the foul line and onto the field. It seems clear to me, that the only reason a "Manager" would go coach 3rd base mid-game, would be to stir up trouble. Canseco's team is known for being trash-talkers, and Mike wanted to give them some of their own medicine.
I remember Tony Philips being a hothead, wearing his heart on his sleeve, and either being suspended or arrested for crack cocaine possession.
Not that has anything to do with this fight.
But to follow up on one of ANDY's posts a week or two ago, about when Matsui got his '500th' HR, should we count these CHICO hits to Tony's totals.
I now have seen Canseco pitch himself out of 500 HRs. Let a ball bounce off his head for a homerun. Publish two books. Win an MVP. Get knocked out in a boxing Match. Win a WS. Date Madonna. And now coach.
What a resume.
@3
At some point in my life I wanted to be like Jose Canseco, he was one of my favorite players when I was growing up. I felt very sad when he started to fade on the baseball field. All those stories and scandals made me feel even sadder. However, after reading the Canseco story I kind of think that his love for the game is actually real. I mean, he's not making a lot of money, he's not in a big city, he just wants to play baseball. I'm 36 years old, and I still take a lot of pride when I hit a 20 year old kid's fastball at the local amateur leagues. The smell of the gloves, the sound of a wooden bat, the dust after a slide, even putting on and off all the catcher's gear every inning, all those memories are the same from 30 years ago, when I stepped on a baseball diamond for the very first time. I agree with Canseco, I too want to keep playing baseball until I no longer can walk, until I'm phisically unable to hold a bat in my hands.
Baseball, what a great game.
It seems clear to me, that the only reason a "Manager" would go coach 3rd base mid-game, would be to stir up trouble.
This is some indy league, right? I wouldn't be surprised if it's common for the managers to coach third. They probably can't afford a lot of coaches. MLB managers used to coach third (I don't know if that was common, but it happened).
I was at the game, and the double header the day before, and in fact I heard WAY more trash talking coming from Chico's dugout than Yuma's. I was waiting for Jose to say something back, but he kept his cool the whole time. Comments like: "Ump, he'll sign an autograph for you after the game", on a pitch called a ball. He could definitely hear them, as there were only maybe 100 people there. Also, it is typical of the manager to coach 3rd, just as it is in almost all minor leagues
#12 -- I was a very young sports writer in suburban Chicago when Marshall was in high school and garnering tremendous attention. I saw him in a couple of state playoff games and was singularly unimpressed. Shows what I know, huh?
If memory serves, when Tony Phillips reached 2,000 hits in 1999 he became the first player - at least since they started playing the All Star game in the 1930s - to do so without having ever been an All Star (sort of like Kirk Gibson being the only MVP to have never been an All Star). I'm assuming he's still the only player to "achieve" such a distinction.
@ 24,
I thought of putting Brock down (he had 44 HRs in '82 AAA) but thought to few readers would remember him. Good call however. He reminded me of a Phil Nevin, type guy.
@25 Andrew,
About Kirk never getting to an Allstar game, it sort of is a misleading fact. He was selected quite a few times, but always choose to take the three days to 'hunt' or have a family outing. So he never was on the roster, but still made the team, whereas Tony Philips, just never made it.
As Andy pointed out, he could of been hurt by voters, not knowing exactly what position to vote him infor
Not that anyone else is reading by this point.... I don't think you should be editing posts. Let his stupidity stand by his name. If you want to keep the environment clean, I understand, and you could warn the guy (maybe by email, if he gives a legit email), and perhaps block him if he doesn't comply. We police ourselves pretty well anyway; Neil was right on it.
August 10th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Well, long-story short, the Yuma team has got a lot of publicity this season. And if I recall, this wasn't the first time Canseco and Yuma have been involved in an on-field feud.
August 10th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Is that Cy Young Award winner Mike Marshall?
August 10th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Jim Caple had a good featurette on Canseco and Yuma a few weeks ago:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=caple_jim&id=6737576
P.S. It's the other Mike Marshall. It couldn't have been the CYA winner; it's scientifically impossible for him to be injured.
August 10th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
No, it's the other Mike Marshall:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marshmi02.shtml
August 10th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
He's 16 for 49 in 16 games.
Jose Canseco (player/manager) is 45 for 173 with 8 HR's and a 1-2 pitching record.
Ozzie Canseco (player/pitching coach) is 8 for 31.
This Mike Marshall is the other one who played from 1981 to 1991 in the outfield
August 10th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
GIVE NEW MEANING TO THE TERM "WAR", I GUESS
August 10th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Speaking of forfeits, it’s been exactly 16 years since there was a forfeit in the major leagues, 8/10/95 at Chavez Ravine:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN199508100.shtml
And I’m pretty sure the last one before that was the infamous Disco Demolition night:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA197907121.shtml
Here’s a fun video to enjoy too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-fEtF9NKfc
And an even better video about 10-cent beer night revisited! I wonder if they actually did this?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFMdmCEjl-M&NR=1
August 10th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Marshall is pursuing battery charges? Wasn't that him running at full speed toward Tony Phillips? And not that it matters but Marshall is 6' 5" while Phillips is 5' 9". He should be embarrassed for several reasons.
August 10th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
@7, and not only that, but Marshall was charging an older guy. Phillips is 52, for goodness sakes, to Marshall's, barely-out-of-puberty 51!
August 10th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Marshall is a fag - look how he goes in to that fight. What a wuss. Jesus, I'd turn to hard drugs if I was Marshall - anything to forget the embarrassment of that... how sad... Mike Marshall the 208-innings-entirely-in-relief-cy-young-award-winning-god ought to kick the other belinda-carlisle-dating-lame-howards-TV-commercial-poof and make him stop using the name.
August 10th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
@9
Reivax, easy on the language. This is not your everyday fan site where anything goes.
August 10th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
This 'Mike Marshal' - came out of one of the hottest farm systems in history. The late 70's early 80's Dodgers, whom just kept on putting quality players on the field.
Besides their then record - 4 consecutive Rookie of the Year winners; ('79: Sutcliffe, '80 Howe, '81 Valenzuela, '82 Sax) They had Pedro Guerrero debut in 78, but not get to be a regular till '82. But in between managed (from 78-81) 203 games & 658 PA for a .305 AVG 21 HR and a 130 OPS+.
Mickey Hatcher hit .370 and .359 for their AAA affiliate (Albuquerque PCL) in 79-80, where he was teammates with his current boss Mike Scioscia (Angels), and current over achieving NL managers -Terry Collins (Mets), Gary Roenicke (Brewers).
The next year, '81 - a 21 year old Marshal tore up AAA and won the PCL Triple Crown, 34HR 137 RBI .373/.445/.675/1.120 with 21 SB. Too bad he never lived up to the hype. Neither did his 20 year old teammate, Candy Maldando, who had a pretty decent year as well:
40 2B 9 3B 21 HR 104 RBI .335/.398/.598/.996.
Other notables from those Dodger teams of the 80's:
Bob Welch - 1977
Orel Heirsheiser - 1979
Alejandro Pena - 1978
Sid Bream - 1980
Dave Stewart - 1976
Tom Niedenfuer - 1980
Sid Fernandez - 1981
Mariano Duncan - 1978
August 10th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
11 Big guy with lots of power but a free swinger.If he had learned to take bad pitches he could have been very good.
August 10th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Tony was always one of the most exciting players to watch when he was with the A's - always in the middle of everything it seemed. Not a surprise. I don't like fighting, but I guess I'm impressed that he's still out there playing and being aggressive like before.
August 10th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Wow, just watched the video and Mike Marshall really does make himself look like a tool by pursuing battery charges as others have mentioned! And that is something else that Tony Phillips is still playing ball.
August 10th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Whoa!
Just saw the video... no way does Mike Marshall have any case. He was hit AFTER he crossed over the foul line and onto the field. It seems clear to me, that the only reason a "Manager" would go coach 3rd base mid-game, would be to stir up trouble. Canseco's team is known for being trash-talkers, and Mike wanted to give them some of their own medicine.
I remember Tony Philips being a hothead, wearing his heart on his sleeve, and either being suspended or arrested for crack cocaine possession.
Not that has anything to do with this fight.
But to follow up on one of ANDY's posts a week or two ago, about when Matsui got his '500th' HR, should we count these CHICO hits to Tony's totals.
I now have seen Canseco pitch himself out of 500 HRs. Let a ball bounce off his head for a homerun. Publish two books. Win an MVP. Get knocked out in a boxing Match. Win a WS. Date Madonna. And now coach.
What a resume.
August 10th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
http://articles.latimes.com/1998/aug/19/sports/sp-14576
August 10th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
@3
At some point in my life I wanted to be like Jose Canseco, he was one of my favorite players when I was growing up. I felt very sad when he started to fade on the baseball field. All those stories and scandals made me feel even sadder. However, after reading the Canseco story I kind of think that his love for the game is actually real. I mean, he's not making a lot of money, he's not in a big city, he just wants to play baseball. I'm 36 years old, and I still take a lot of pride when I hit a 20 year old kid's fastball at the local amateur leagues. The smell of the gloves, the sound of a wooden bat, the dust after a slide, even putting on and off all the catcher's gear every inning, all those memories are the same from 30 years ago, when I stepped on a baseball diamond for the very first time. I agree with Canseco, I too want to keep playing baseball until I no longer can walk, until I'm phisically unable to hold a bat in my hands.
Baseball, what a great game.
August 10th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
#17 - Luis. Well said. Well said.
August 11th, 2011 at 12:43 am
It seems clear to me, that the only reason a "Manager" would go coach 3rd base mid-game, would be to stir up trouble.
This is some indy league, right? I wouldn't be surprised if it's common for the managers to coach third. They probably can't afford a lot of coaches. MLB managers used to coach third (I don't know if that was common, but it happened).
August 11th, 2011 at 2:52 am
I was at the game, and the double header the day before, and in fact I heard WAY more trash talking coming from Chico's dugout than Yuma's. I was waiting for Jose to say something back, but he kept his cool the whole time. Comments like: "Ump, he'll sign an autograph for you after the game", on a pitch called a ball. He could definitely hear them, as there were only maybe 100 people there. Also, it is typical of the manager to coach 3rd, just as it is in almost all minor leagues
August 11th, 2011 at 7:48 am
#12 -- I was a very young sports writer in suburban Chicago when Marshall was in high school and garnering tremendous attention. I saw him in a couple of state playoff games and was singularly unimpressed. Shows what I know, huh?
August 11th, 2011 at 10:08 am
I went to a baseball game, and the Chico Community Repertory Theatre's production of "Slapshot" broke out...
August 11th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Greg Brock was another Dodger minor league star who came up about the same time as Marshall. He, too, didn't live up to the hype.
August 11th, 2011 at 10:37 am
If memory serves, when Tony Phillips reached 2,000 hits in 1999 he became the first player - at least since they started playing the All Star game in the 1930s - to do so without having ever been an All Star (sort of like Kirk Gibson being the only MVP to have never been an All Star). I'm assuming he's still the only player to "achieve" such a distinction.
August 11th, 2011 at 11:45 am
I believe that the '93 Det offense ( w Phillips leading off ) scored more runs than any previous team going back to '53 BRK.. Lotsa BB, lotsa HR...
Is this so?
August 11th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
@ 24,
I thought of putting Brock down (he had 44 HRs in '82 AAA) but thought to few readers would remember him. Good call however. He reminded me of a Phil Nevin, type guy.
@25 Andrew,
About Kirk never getting to an Allstar game, it sort of is a misleading fact. He was selected quite a few times, but always choose to take the three days to 'hunt' or have a family outing. So he never was on the roster, but still made the team, whereas Tony Philips, just never made it.
As Andy pointed out, he could of been hurt by voters, not knowing exactly what position to vote him infor
August 11th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
I believe that the '93 Det offense ( w Phillips leading off ) scored more runs than any previous team going back to '53 BRK... Is this so?
Yes. The '93 Tigers scored 899 runs, most since the '53 Dodgers' 955.
Except for 2002 and 2010, in every season since 1996 (the first full season after 1993) at least one team has scored at least 900 runs.
August 12th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Andy, any thought of editing comment #10? I hope I'm not the only one here who finds that language offensive.
August 13th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Not that anyone else is reading by this point.... I don't think you should be editing posts. Let his stupidity stand by his name. If you want to keep the environment clean, I understand, and you could warn the guy (maybe by email, if he gives a legit email), and perhaps block him if he doesn't comply. We police ourselves pretty well anyway; Neil was right on it.
Probably a hit-and-run poster anyway....