Josh Tomlin – Part 1: Starts of 5+ Innings to Begin a Career
Posted by Raphy on July 26, 2011
While researching Josh Tomlin for an upcoming post, I came across this tidbit on mlb.com:
"Tomlin has lasted at least five innings in each of his 32 career starts, a modern Major League record."
This is an interesting piece of information that makes for an interesting PI exercise, so lets have at it.
The fact as it is stated, seems to say that Tomlin is the first "modern" pitcher to have pitched at least 5 innings in each of his first 32 major league starts. A quick run of the PI (Pitching streak finder, Pitchers Role:Starter, to start player's career, IP>=5) reveals that this is not true.
Rk | Strk Start | End | Games | W | L | GS | CG | SHO | GF | SV | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | WP | BK | Tm | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Pete Alexander | 1919-05-09 | 1920-08-03 | 54 | 33 | 20 | 54 | 43 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 473.1 | 403 | 119 | 99 | 87 | 240 | 11 | 1.88 | 1 | 2 | 0 | CHC |
2 | John Farrell | 1987-08-21 | 1988-09-20 | 37 | 17 | 10 | 37 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 262.2 | 269 | 128 | 118 | 79 | 112 | 21 | 4.04 | 14 | 2 | 4 | CLE |
3 | Pat Malone | 1928-04-23 | 1929-05-24 | 33 | 21 | 11 | 33 | 22 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 276.1 | 254 | 104 | 89 | 111 | 148 | 19 | 2.90 | 5 | 10 | 0 | CHC |
4 | Josh Tomlin | 2010-07-27 | 2011-07-20 | 32 | 17 | 8 | 32 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 199.2 | 190 | 98 | 95 | 34 | 113 | 28 | 4.28 | 6 | 3 | 0 | CLE |
5 | Rick Sutcliffe | 1976-09-29 | 1980-04-11 | 32 | 16 | 8 | 32 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 232.0 | 209 | 102 | 92 | 94 | 112 | 15 | 3.57 | 2 | 7 | 6 | LAD |
6 | Leon Cadore | 1919-04-19 | 1920-05-01 | 31 | 14 | 13 | 31 | 19 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 277.2 | 249 | 85 | 68 | 40 | 109 | 4 | 2.20 | 7 | 3 | 0 | BRO |
7 | Bill Voiselle | 1942-09-24 | 1944-07-28 | 30 | 13 | 15 | 30 | 20 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 239.1 | 189 | 87 | 61 | 87 | 125 | 17 | 2.29 | 4 | 5 | 0 | NYG |
8 | Josh Towers | 2001-05-28 | 2003-09-18 | 29 | 12 | 13 | 29 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 192.0 | 220 | 97 | 92 | 22 | 90 | 35 | 4.31 | 8 | 1 | 0 | BAL-TOR |
9 | Monk Dubiel | 1944-04-19 | 1945-04-19 | 29 | 13 | 13 | 29 | 20 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 239.2 | 224 | 96 | 89 | 86 | 81 | 12 | 3.34 | 1 | 1 | 1 | NYY |
10 | Waite Hoyt | 1919-07-31 | 1921-05-27 | 29 | 14 | 12 | 29 | 17 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 240.0 | 242 | 110 | 96 | 66 | 76 | 4 | 3.60 | 1 | 3 | 0 | BOS-NYY |
EDIT: As Johnny pointed out in the comments, #1 and #6 don't count because their careers actually began before 1919. So John Farrell would actually be the post-1919 record holder.
Unless the "modern era" started after 1988, Tomlin is not quite there yet.
Perhaps the intended meaning is that Tomlin is the first pitcher to have made starts of at least 5 innings in each of his first 32 big league games. There are couple of ways to check this with PI. One way is to use the pitching game finder to find streaks of all games to start a career requiring that the pitcher started and pitched at least 5 innings. You can do that by:
- Selecting Pitcher's role: Either
- Selecting: To Start a player's career
- Setting IP>=5
- Setting Game Score <=999 (This eliminates pitchers who relieved during their streak)
This list has Tomlin on top:
Rk | Strk Start | End | Games | W | L | GS | CG | SHO | GF | SV | IP | H | R | ER | BB | SO | HR | HBP | WP | BK | Tm | ||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Josh Tomlin | 2010-07-27 | 2011-07-20 | 32 | 17 | 8 | 32 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 199.2 | 190 | 98 | 95 | 34 | 113 | 28 | 4.28 | 6 | 3 | 0 | CLE |
2 | Daisuke Matsuzaka | 2007-04-05 | 2007-09-03 | 28 | 14 | 11 | 28 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 181.2 | 169 | 83 | 83 | 67 | 177 | 21 | 4.11 | 12 | 4 | 0 | BOS |
3 | Steve Rogers | 1973-07-18 | 1974-05-14 | 24 | 16 | 6 | 24 | 12 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 193.0 | 140 | 50 | 44 | 68 | 99 | 9 | 2.05 | 1 | 3 | 1 | MON |
4 | Runelvys Hernandez | 2002-07-15 | 2003-05-14 | 21 | 8 | 7 | 21 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 132.1 | 121 | 58 | 54 | 44 | 76 | 13 | 3.67 | 3 | 3 | 1 | KCR |
5 | Chris Nabholz | 1990-06-11 | 1991-06-06 | 21 | 8 | 5 | 21 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 133.0 | 93 | 48 | 47 | 61 | 93 | 9 | 3.18 | 3 | 3 | 1 | MON |
6 | Barry Zito | 2000-07-22 | 2001-04-29 | 20 | 10 | 6 | 20 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 130.0 | 101 | 52 | 47 | 59 | 122 | 9 | 3.25 | 3 | 5 | 0 | OAK |
7 | Howard Ehmke | 1919-04-25 | 1919-07-21 | 20 | 12 | 7 | 20 | 16 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 173.2 | 163 | 69 | 49 | 71 | 58 | 3 | 2.54 | 4 | 2 | 0 | DET |
8 | Michael Pineda | 2011-04-05 | 2011-07-19 | 19 | 8 | 6 | 19 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 119.1 | 88 | 46 | 43 | 38 | 119 | 11 | 3.24 | 4 | 6 | 0 | SEA |
9 | Butch Wensloff | 1943-05-02 | 1943-08-17 | 19 | 10 | 7 | 19 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 163.2 | 122 | 52 | 41 | 58 | 85 | 1 | 2.25 | 1 | 2 | 1 | NYY |
10 | Wayne Simpson | 1970-04-09 | 1970-07-05 | 18 | 13 | 1 | 18 | 9 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 139.0 | 86 | 40 | 35 | 60 | 93 | 10 | 2.27 | 3 | 4 | 1 | CIN |
EDIT: Howard Ehmke's career actually began before 1919, so his numbers here don't count. See note above.
Now this seems a lot more likely. Tomlin tops this list, passing up Daisuke's streak from 4 years ago.
I suppose I am over-looking the obvious meaning of the stat, that as we stand today, Tomlin holds the career record for most starts by a pitcher who pitched at least 5 innings in every career start, but that seems silly. Presumably Tomlin will pitch many more games in his career. However, if you wish to confirm this (since 1919) all you have to do is check the 3 pitchers above Tomlin on the first list and note that the number of starts in their streaks are less than their total career starts. Hence, for the time being, Tomlin is the record holder in this stat, as well.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Some people may not realize that Alexander's career started before 1919, but the search is only picking up from the beginning of B-R's boxscore database.
July 26th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Thanks Johnny.
That used to be a standard disclaimer, but I haven't posted a search like this in while and forgot all about it. Thanks for backing up my error.
I have edited the post to reflect this information.
July 26th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
I'm starting to use the PI... How may I (for example) find out the Joe DiMaggio streak? I'm trying but I'm doing something wrong.... Thanks!
July 26th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Aaron, not sure where you're going wrong, so I'll just go through the whole process.
On the PI front page, under Streak Finders, choose Player Batting.
On the right side, under "Find the Longest Streaks..." you select what type of streak you are looking for. Choose Hits >= 1.
Streak searches are server-intensive, so you can't search all seasons at once. Pick a subset of seasons, for instance 1919 to 1950. And you get the longest hitting streaks in that period, with Joe D right on top: http://bbref.com/pi/shareit/RolIi
July 26th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Oooh! Right! I got it and did it. I have to subscribe to B-R now for getting more information. Thank you.
I read you everytime like all the others... Thanks!
July 26th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Steve Rogers again...nice.
July 26th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Any list that has Monk Dubiel's name on it is of interest to me.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dubiemo01.shtml
I remember when I first heard the PA announcer at Wrigley Field announce his name in 1948.
Then the following year 1949 he pitched for the Cubs thru 1952.
So we got to hear it a lot. Seemed then every player had a great nickname.
Didn't know until checking he BB-Ref link above that he was a war time callup by the Yanks in 1944 and 1945.
July 26th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
John Farrell should have started himself against the Orioles tonight.
July 26th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
@6, Tmckelv -- Steve Rogers, indeed. He had one of the best half-season debuts in MLB history:
-- 13 straight Game Scores of 50+ to start his career. No one else since 1919 has started off with more than 11 (Bob Stoddard, 1981-82), nor more than 9 in the same season.
-- 18 straight starts allowing 3 ERs or less; topped just once since them (Aaron Sele, 21, 1993-94).
July 26th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Raphy, as always, thanks for the nitty-gritty details on the search.
July 27th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Hey john thanks for the solid explanation !! It proved a point for me !!
July 27th, 2011 at 11:36 am
I'd almost forgotten about Wayne Simpson and his one big year. I'd also forgotten he was traded by the Pirates even-up for Bill Robinson in '75. That one worked out pretty well for the Bucs.
July 29th, 2011 at 11:20 am
@12 Wayne Simpson had arm problems in 1970 and only pitched in 1 game in August and 1 game in September and missed the playoffs. His arm troubles hindered him his entire year and he could never match his 14 wins in 1970.