Ben Zobrist’s Extra-Base Oddity: 3 Doubles and a Triple
Posted by John Autin on June 11, 2011
In Baltimore tonight, Ben Zobrist went 4 for 6 with 3 doubles and a triple, and scored each time. In the 9th, he tripled and scored the tying run; in the 11th, he doubled and scored the go-ahead run in Tampa's 7-5 win over the O's.
Here are the other games since 1919 with 4+ hits, all for extra bases, at least 1 triple, and 4+ runs:
| Rk | Player | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | XBH | RBI | BB | SO | GDP | SB | CS | WPA | RE24 | BOP | Pos. Summary | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Roger Cedeno | 2001-07-18 (2) | DET | NYY | W 12-4 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0.348 | 5.938 | .552 | 1 | CF |
| 2 | Larry Walker | 1996-05-21 | COL | PIT | W 12-10 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.515 | 5.488 | 1.248 | 4 | CF |
| 3 | Kevin Mitchell | 1993-06-22 | CIN | COL | W 16-13 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.457 | 5.294 | 1.265 | 4 | LF |
| 4 | Darryl Strawberry | 1987-08-16 | NYM | CHC | W 23-10 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0.182 | 6.735 | .533 | 4 | RF |
| 5 | Bob Horner | 1985-07-13 | ATL | PHI | W 13-5 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.126 | 3.692 | .180 | 4 | 1B |
| 6 | Lou Whitaker | 1983-06-08 | DET | BOS | W 6-3 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.311 | 3.009 | .802 | 1 | 2B |
| 7 | Roger Maris | 1958-08-03 (1) | KCA | WSH | W 12-0 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.164 | 6.265 | .268 | 3 | CF RF |
| 8 | Daryl Spencer | 1958-05-13 | SFG | LAD | W 16-9 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.293 | 4.085 | .710 | 6 | SS |
| 9 | Wes Westrum | 1950-06-24 | NYG | CIN | W 12-2 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.149 | 4.806 | .252 | 4 | C |
| 10 | Pat Seerey | 1945-07-13 | CLE | NYY | W 16-4 | 6 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 3 | RF | |
| 11 | Phil Weintraub | 1944-04-30 (1) | NYG | BRO | W 26-8 | 7 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 5 | 1B | |
| 12 | Tony Lazzeri | 1936-05-24 | NYY | PHA | W 25-2 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 11 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 8 | 2B | ||
| 13 | Travis Jackson | 1929-06-15 | NYG | PIT | W 20-15 | 8 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 7 | SS | ||
| 14 | Lou Gehrig | 1928-06-12 | NYY | CHW | W 15-7 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 4 | 1B | ||
| 15 | Les Bell | 1928-06-02 | BSN | CIN | L 12-20 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 5 | 3B | ||
| 16 | Ben Paschal | 1927-06-13 | NYY | CLE | W 14-6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 5 | LF | ||
| 17 | Ty Cobb | 1921-05-08 | DET | SLB | L 8-16 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 3 | CF |
Notes:
- In all but 2 of these games, the hitter's team scored 10+ runs.
- I would not have guessed that 4 different players had hit 3 HRs and a triple in a game.
- Zobrist becomes the only active member of this group, and the only one to do it without a HR. He is the 3rd second baseman, joining Lou Whitaker (don't get me started!) and Tony Lazzeri (in his famous 11-RBI game).
- Roger Maris did it ... with the KC A's!
- If you like jam-packed box scores, be sure to click on the Phil Weintraub game. How can one guy have 11 RBI, yet leave enough ducks on the pond for the man hitting behind him to get 7 ribs of his own? (Your mission: Bring me further juicy morsels from that game!)
And here are the other players since 1919 with at least 3 doubles and 1 triple:
(Timmy P., this one's for you! 🙂 )
| Rk | Player | Date | Tm | Opp | Rslt | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | SO | SH | SB | CS | WPA | RE24 | BOP | Pos. Summary | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Juan Pierre | 2007-05-29 | LAD | WSN | W 10-0 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.196 | 2.087 | .697 | 1 | CF |
| 2 | Adam LaRoche | 2006-08-30 | ATL | SFG | W 5-3 | 4 | 4 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.415 | 3.983 | 1.372 | 7 | 1B |
| 3 | Alfonso Soriano | 2006-07-22 | WSN | CHC | W 7-3 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.244 | 2.257 | .652 | 1 | LF |
| 4 | Nomar Garciaparra | 2003-06-15 | BOS | HOU | W 3-2 | 7 | 6 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.283 | 1.442 | 2.196 | 3 | SS |
| 5 | Steve Finley | 1999-06-02 | ARI | MON | W 15-2 | 6 | 6 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.087 | 4.113 | .287 | 5 | CF |
| 6 | Carlos Baerga | 1990-09-20 | CLE | NYY | W 12-7 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.402 | 4.283 | 1.006 | 3 | 2B |
| 7 | Wade Boggs | 1989-07-25 | BOS | KCR | W 10-0 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.034 | 2.970 | .378 | 1 | 3B |
| 8 | Jesse Barfield | 1987-09-26 | TOR | DET | W 10-9 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.180 | 1.757 | 1.168 | 6 | RF |
| 9 | Lonnie Smith | 1986-09-18 | KCR | CAL | L 3-18 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.157 | 3.023 | .345 | 2 | DH |
| 10 | Dane Iorg | 1980-08-11 | STL | MON | W 16-0 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.013 | 3.550 | .032 | 7 | LF |
| 11 | Tito Francona | 1964-07-03 | CLE | CHW | W 2-1 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.625 | 3.581 | 1.427 | 1 | RF |
| 12 | Johnny Cooney | 1937-08-21 | BRO | BSN | W 8-4 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 1 | CF | |
| 13 | Red Rolfe | 1936-06-11 | NYY | DET | W 10-9 | 6 | 6 | 1 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 2 | 3B | |
| 14 | Joe Medwick | 1935-05-30 (1) | STL | CIN | W 12-5 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 4 | LF | |
| 15 | Earl Averill | 1934-08-18 (2) | CLE | PHA | W 10-0 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 3 | CF | |
| 16 | Kiki Cuyler | 1934-07-04 (2) | CHC | STL | W 6-2 | 5 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 5 | CF | |
| 17 | Joe Vosmik | 1931-04-18 | CLE | CHW | W 11-2 | 5 | 5 | 1 | 5 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 6 | LF | |
| 18 | Hod Ford | 1930-05-05 | CIN | BSN | W 10-6 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 7 | SS | |
| 19 | Lew Fonseca | 1929-05-19 | CLE | SLB | W 10-6 | 5 | 5 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 2 | 1B | |
| 20 | Ed Morgan | 1928-06-16 | CLE | PHA | W 9-2 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 3 | 3B | |
| 21 | Kiki Cuyler | 1924-08-09 (1) | PIT | PHI | W 16-4 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 3 | LF | |
| 22 | George Burns | 1924-06-19 (1) | CLE | DET | W 16-5 | 6 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 5 | 1B | |
| 23 | Hack Miller | 1923-09-16 | CHC | NYG | L 6-10 | 5 | 4 | 2 | 4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.000 | 0.000 | 6 | LF |
Only Kiki Cuyler did it twice -- 10 years apart.
June 12th, 2011 at 12:33 am
How about the relief effort (and I use the term loosely) by Tommy Warren in the Weintraub game? 5 IP, 13 H, 6 BB, 15 R.
And heckuva "garbage time" sub for Dixie Walker, eh?
June 12th, 2011 at 12:36 am
And, from Mel Ott's Wikipedia page:
He set the National League record for most walks in a doubleheader with six, on October 5, 1929 did it again on April 30, 1944... He twice scored six runs in a game, on August 4, 1934 and on April 30, 1944.
June 12th, 2011 at 12:47 am
JA, the one-triple, three-home run members of the original list deserve special notice. That's making the XBH list the hard way.
Now, to go off in search of juicy morsels......
June 12th, 2011 at 12:57 am
That's the spirit, Jason W.!
For my part, I just can't get enough of the name Frenchy Bordagaray; sounds like a character from Casablanca. Too bad he never played with Germany Schaefer.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:00 am
@2
I posted recently that the 5 walks Ott received in the second game were semi-intentional so as to prevent him from wresting the HR title from Chuck Klein.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:15 am
Don't know if these are jiucy but the Giants-Dodgers 1944 game took only 2:58 to play despite a 26-8 score. How long would it have taken the REd Sox and Yankees to play this game.
Another oddity is the lack of defensive substitutions when the Giants were up 18 to 7 after 6 innings. Perhaps Mel Ott wanted to save his bench for the second game of the doubleheader, but unusual nevertheless.
I wonder what knid of unusual managerial moves double headers imposed on managers in the forties and fifties?
June 12th, 2011 at 1:25 am
Johnny is cranky now that software ate his latest article. Johnny hates software. Johnny thinks consumers tolerate way too much unreliability and random crap from software producers. But then, Johnny is a crank.
Good night, amigos.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:29 am
How long would it have taken the REd Sox and Yankees to play this game.
They'd still be playing.
Regardless when it started.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:39 am
The starting pitchers in the Weintraub game were cousins.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:46 am
Here's a bit more about the Weintraub game:
http://thisdaybaseball.blogspot.com/2005_04_24_archive.html
June 12th, 2011 at 2:18 am
I remember Strawberry's game well. He came up late, with the Mets up 10 runs or so, needing just a single for the cycle. Straw drove one for an obvious extra-base hit, but the first-base coach put up a stop sign. Darryl ran right through it and onto this list.
June 12th, 2011 at 3:36 am
@ JA - How can one guy have 11 RBI, yet leave enough ducks on the pond for the man hitting behind him to get 7 ribs of his own?
I would have to think that the 17 BBs (!) would have to play a part 🙂
June 12th, 2011 at 5:34 am
In the Weintraub game...
- Neither starter lasted longer than 3.2 IP
- No pitcher lasted longer than 5 IP.
- Of the 4 Dodger pitchers, only Fritz Osterueller recorded more outs than baserunners allowed (H+BB) and he did that barely (5 to 4).
- Weintraub had 11 RBIs in the game... bringing his season total to... 12!
- In addition to his 11 RBIs, Weintraub also had 11 put outs (this isn't that surprising give that he was a 1B, but it's still interesting).
- Just shy of of 50% of the batters faced reached base (51 of 103). It's possible that this total exceeds 50% if we count guys who reached on error AND we know that those errors allowed baserunners, not just advanced them
June 12th, 2011 at 8:19 am
JA, you can vent to us!
What happened to your article? I assume it was your "recap and random notes" that got eaten.
June 12th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Hi, Neil -- Yes, it was my Saturday recap that vanished into the ether. I was just about to publish it when I inserted a "More..." tag and the entire text instantly disappeared. And apparently a timed "save" occurred at that moment, 'cause when I tried to recover, there was nothing.
Ah, well -- every day brings more box score joys, so I must look forward and not back.
June 12th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Thanks to you folks who played my "juicy morsels" game.
My own favorites from that box score include:
-- Future HOF brothers Paul and Lloyd Waner both appeared as subs for Brooklyn. Both were in their penultimate season. Paul doubled in his only AB, while Lloyd made an out -- which strikes me as fitting, somehow. BTW, Paul Waner's middle name was Glee. There were 3 other HOFers in the game, all in the Giants lineup: Mel Ott, Joe Medwick and Ernie Lombardi.
-- Dodgers 1B Howie Schultz hit 2 HRs, the only 2-HR game of his career.
-- Mel Ott stole a base.
-- Brooklyn reliever Al (Chink) Zachary made his MLB debut and walked the only 2 batters he faced. He didn't pitch in the bigs again until September, when he made 1 decent start, then got knocked out in the 1st inning 2nd and last MLB start. (A quick search did not turn up the reason for his nickname.)
-- Harry Feldman earned the win for NYG, relieving in the 4th when the game was still fairly close. Feldman went 2 for 3 with a double and 2 runs. There have been 138 games since 1919 in which a reliever got 2 hits and 2 runs, but only 5 in the last 32 years.
-- It's nice to see the name of Mickey Owen outside the context of his dropped 3rd strike that helped cost the Dodgers game 4 of the '41 WS. (I rarely hear that story told in context: the Yankees were already up 3-0 in the Series.) BTW, Owen was an All-Star from 1941-44 (and placed 4th in the '42 MVP vote) -- seasons in which he averaged .257 with 1 HR and 46 RBI.
-- Speaking of names ... Clancy Smyres, Whit Wyatt, Fritz Ostermueller,
-- Starting pitchers Rube Melton and Cliff Melton were cousins (as noted by Chris @9), but they kind of look as though they were brothers whose parents were cousins. (I hope that's not tasteless; y'all let me know.)
-- What's the story behind Phil Weintraub's career? He had a lifetime 132 OPS+ and had a really excellent year in '44 at the age of 36, after being out of the majors for 5 seasons. OK, wartime replacement -- but why was he out of the majors in the first place? In 1937 he had hit .312 with a .422 OBP and 134 OPS+ in 100 games with the Phillies, easily the best hitter on that horrific team. The Red Sox bought his contract after the year, but he never played with them.
June 12th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Further to the mystery of Phil Weintraub's career ... After the Red Sox bought him in Dec. '38, he spent the next 2 seasons tearing up the American Association with Minneapolis, averaging .339 with 30 HRs and .617 SLG, but he never got a look in the majors.
He retired at 37, when he was still a very good hitter -- 123 OPS+ in 82 games with the Giants, and a 1.030 OPS in 40 games with Newark in the A.A.
June 12th, 2011 at 11:24 am
SABR has something on Weintraub -- http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&bid=2390&pid=14967
June 12th, 2011 at 11:40 am
@16
"(I rarely hear that story told in context: the Yankees were already up 3-0 in the Series.)"
I don't know you meant that statement but the Yankees were up 2-1 at the start of game 4. Do you mean that other people thought they were up by 3-0?
June 12th, 2011 at 11:57 am
How about Larry Walker's batting title in 1998? Very few PA's for a title. Still I love Larry and think the HoF is calling for him.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
@19, Richard Chester -- My bad on the '41 WS -- thanks for the correction.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
@18, Wine Curmudgeon -- Thanks for the SABR bio on Weintraub. Good piece, but no answer to the mystery of why he didn't play more in the majors.
June 12th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
The Gehrig game is worthy of a "On this date in baseball history" mention... and today no less...
June 12th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
If I have done my research correctly the Weintraub game is the record for greatest discrepancy between runs and hits (8) where more the team run total exceeded the hit total
June 12th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
@24
Ignore the word more.
June 12th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
All of the games in the first list are cycle-plus games - you could convert any of them into a cycle, if you could magically "shorten" any hits you chose by 1 or more bases (without needing to add any of those bases onto other hits). There's more on cycle-plus games here.
Gehrig's cycle-plus game on this day in 1928 was the third of 10 in his career, and the second within 15 days (complete list. No one else has more than 7 in the database.
June 12th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
@18 and echoing John Autin @22
Yes, great link, Wine. Interesting reading at SABR.
I never thought being Jewish or non-Jewish was ever a factor in baseball in America.
But then being a non-American (Canadian) perhaps excuses my ignorance.
June 12th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Home plate umpire in the Weintraub game: Beans Reardon. Love it.
June 12th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Miscellaneous:
Re the original post's "I would not have guessed that 4 different players had hit 3 HRs and a triple in a game." On June 18, 1975, Fred Lynn became the fifth and most recent player to hit 3 HRs and a triple in the same game. He also scored 4 runs (and drove in 10), but doesn't appear in the top list because he also hit a single.
@4: As you may know, Frenchy Bordagaray is one of the players named in David Frishberg's song "Van Lingle Mungo" - as are Augie Galan and Ernie Lombardi from the Weintraub box score.
@11 Thanks for that memory of Strawberry's game. On April 11 of this year, Sam Fuld also "missed" a cycle by running out his second double in the top of the 9th, as the Rays were taking a 15-4 lead. (Though it's accurate to describe a hitter as "missing the cycle" when he actually exceeds the cycle, it always seems odd to me.)
June 12th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
@28. Love that name, too. It's good for your heart.
Giant starter Cliff Melton's nickname was "Mountain Music." His picture on his Baseball-Reference page is priceless, and fits perfectly with JA's comment in @16. (Cliff's cousin Rube looks comparatively normal to me.)
June 12th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
I just noticed that both Cliff Melton and Rube Melton were 6' 5". Not too many MLB players that tall in those days.
Also ... Cliff Melton went 20-9 in his very first year, 1937; also led the NL with a 150 ERA+ and 7 saves (retroactively credited). That season ended on a bad note when he went 0-2 in the WS, including the game-5 clincher in which he served up Joe DiMaggio's first WS HR.
Cousin Rube Melton wasn't as lucky in his choice of teammates. He broke in with the Phils in '41 and suffered through seasons of 43-111 and 42-109; he went 9-20 in '42, as all 5 starters lost at least 14 games with a W% of .400 or less.
June 12th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Anyone else surprised to see Roger Cedeno on this list? A quick scan of his game logs for 2001 and it seems he only had as many as 2 EBH in one game - and he had them both in the same inning of a game on May 18 (2B and 3B). In the game on this list, he hit HR's off Ted Lilly in both the first and second innings.
For about half of that season, he played really well. He had an awful April, then from May 1 until August 16 he hit .331/.374/.459 and scored 60 runs in 88 games. As part of that stretch he had 36 games beginning on July 4th where he was .389/.416/.550(!). For the other 95 games he played that year he was .254/.300/.334. Can you say Jeckyl and Hyde?
June 12th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
JA - Looking at Weintraub's year in 1944 - He has no EBH's in the first 7 games, a double in game #8 (his SLG was .280 entering his big game, he pushed it to .600 by the end of the day). Then he went another 6 games (and 8 of his next 9) without another EBH.
June 12th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
And Lombardi (who drove in 7 runs batting behind Weintraub) hit the skids immediately following that game. in his next 14 games (11 starts) he was 7 for 43 with 1 double and 0 runs scored.
June 12th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
LJF -- Good spotting of Roger Cedeno, a low-XBH guy (career isolated power .098).
Mets fans know Cedeno's ups and downs. He had a great year for us in 1999, his first time around -- .313 BA, .396 OBP, 66 SB.
We sent him to Houston in the Mike Hampton deal. He came back to us 2 years later, still just 27 years old, but he hit .260 and .267 with much less speed.