Brett Carroll: Getting Hit at a Historic Rate
Posted by Raphy on March 1, 2011
Despite only coming to the plate 90 times in 2010, the Marlin's Brett Carroll managed to get hit by 7 pitches. In MLB history not too many players have managed to be hit by a pitch at least once every 13 trips to the plate. Here are the leaders in HBP since 1901 to be hit at that rate.
Rk | Player | HBP | PA | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | BB | IBB | SO | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
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1 | Ron Hunt | 50 | 638 | 1971 | 30 | MON | NL | 152 | 520 | 89 | 145 | 20 | 3 | 5 | 38 | 58 | 1 | 41 | 8 | 2 | 1 | 5 | 7 | .279 | .402 | .358 | .759 | *45 |
2 | Mike Kinkade | 16 | 191 | 2003 | 30 | LAD | NL | 88 | 162 | 25 | 35 | 7 | 0 | 5 | 14 | 13 | 2 | 38 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 3 | .216 | .335 | .352 | .687 | 73/95D |
3 | Fernando Vina | 12 | 150 | 1994 | 25 | NYM | NL | 79 | 124 | 20 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 12 | 0 | 11 | 2 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 1 | .250 | .372 | .298 | .670 | 45/67 |
4 | Brett Carroll | 7 | 90 | 2010 | 27 | FLA | NL | 32 | 76 | 13 | 15 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 6 | 3 | 29 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | .197 | .311 | .329 | .640 | *9/7 |
5 | Sal Fasano | 7 | 75 | 1999 | 27 | KCR | AL | 23 | 60 | 11 | 14 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 16 | 7 | 0 | 17 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | .233 | .373 | .517 | .890 | *2 |
6 | Mike Kinkade | 6 | 60 | 2002 | 29 | LAD | NL | 37 | 50 | 7 | 19 | 5 | 0 | 2 | 11 | 4 | 0 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | .380 | .483 | .600 | 1.083 | 3/7 |
7 | Chad Meyers | 4 | 23 | 2001 | 25 | CHC | NL | 18 | 17 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | .118 | .348 | .118 | .465 | /4875 |
Hunt is the modern-day single-season HBP record holder. His BR Bullpen page has an interesting story on the all-time record.
"Hunt's 50 hit-by-pitches in 1971 are the highest season total in the 20th Century, only trailing Hughie Jennings' 51 in 1896 on the all-time list. When Hunt posted his total, Jennings was credited with only 49 hit-by-pitches that season, meaning that Hunt was celebrated for a while as the all-time record holder. Years later, further research credited Jennings with two more instances in 1896, giving him back the record. But if Hunt had known the record would eventually be 51, he doubtless would have found a way to step into the path of a couple more curve balls to pass Jennings."
Not only did Carroll get hit a lot, he also rarely walked. Here are the players since 1901 with at least 6 walks and more HBP than BB.
Rk | Player | BB ▾ | HBP | Year | Age | Tm | Lg | G | PA | AB | R | H | 2B | 3B | HR | RBI | IBB | SO | SH | SF | GDP | SB | CS | Pos | ||||
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1 | Dan McGann | 16 | 23 | 1901 | 29 | STL | NL | 103 | 469 | 423 | 73 | 115 | 15 | 9 | 6 | 56 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 0 | .272 | .333 | .392 | .726 | *3 |
2 | Mike Kinkade | 13 | 16 | 2003 | 30 | LAD | NL | 88 | 191 | 162 | 25 | 35 | 7 | 0 | 5 | 14 | 2 | 38 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 1 | 3 | .216 | .335 | .352 | .687 | 73/95D |
3 | Art Fletcher | 13 | 14 | 1916 | 31 | NYG | NL | 133 | 542 | 500 | 53 | 143 | 23 | 8 | 3 | 66 | 0 | 36 | 15 | 0 | 0 | 15 | 0 | .286 | .323 | .382 | .705 | *6 |
4 | Ryan Doumit | 11 | 13 | 2005 | 24 | PIT | NL | 75 | 257 | 231 | 25 | 59 | 13 | 1 | 6 | 35 | 1 | 48 | 1 | 1 | 5 | 2 | 1 | .255 | .324 | .398 | .722 | *2/D9 |
5 | Sal Fasano | 10 | 16 | 1998 | 26 | KCR | AL | 74 | 247 | 216 | 21 | 49 | 10 | 0 | 8 | 31 | 1 | 56 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 0 | .227 | .307 | .384 | .692 | *2/35 |
6 | Einar Diaz | 9 | 10 | 2003 | 30 | TEX | AL | 101 | 361 | 334 | 30 | 86 | 14 | 1 | 4 | 35 | 0 | 32 | 4 | 4 | 12 | 3 | 1 | .257 | .294 | .341 | .635 | *2 |
7 | Fred Crolius | 9 | 10 | 1901 | 24 | BSN | NL | 49 | 222 | 200 | 22 | 48 | 4 | 1 | 1 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | .240 | .306 | .285 | .591 | *9/8 |
8 | Jack O'Neill | 8 | 11 | 1905 | 32 | CHC | NL | 53 | 197 | 172 | 16 | 34 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 12 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 0 | .198 | .277 | .244 | .522 | *2 |
9 | Ollie O'Mara | 7 | 10 | 1918 | 27 | BRO | NL | 121 | 489 | 450 | 29 | 96 | 8 | 1 | 1 | 24 | 0 | 18 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 0 | .213 | .242 | .242 | .484 | *5 |
10 | Alex Cora | 7 | 9 | 2007 | 31 | BOS | AL | 83 | 232 | 207 | 30 | 51 | 10 | 5 | 3 | 18 | 2 | 23 | 7 | 2 | 5 | 1 | 1 | .246 | .298 | .386 | .684 | *46/3 |
11 | Jack Warner | 7 | 9 | 1903 | 30 | NYG | NL | 89 | 309 | 285 | 38 | 81 | 8 | 5 | 0 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 0 | .284 | .322 | .347 | .670 | *2 |
12 | Carlos Baerga | 7 | 8 | 2005 | 36 | WSN | NL | 93 | 174 | 158 | 18 | 40 | 7 | 0 | 2 | 19 | 0 | 17 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | .253 | .318 | .335 | .653 | 53/4D |
13 | Billy Maloney | 7 | 8 | 1901 | 23 | MLA | AL | 86 | 314 | 290 | 42 | 85 | 3 | 4 | 0 | 22 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 11 | 0 | .293 | .328 | .331 | .659 | *2/8 |
14 | Art Fletcher | 6 | 14 | 1915 | 30 | NYG | NL | 149 | 599 | 562 | 59 | 143 | 17 | 7 | 3 | 74 | 0 | 36 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 18 | .254 | .280 | .326 | .606 | *6 |
15 | Whitey Alperman | 6 | 14 | 1906 | 26 | BRO | NL | 128 | 487 | 441 | 38 | 111 | 15 | 7 | 3 | 46 | 0 | 0 | 26 | 0 | 0 | 13 | 0 | .252 | .284 | .338 | .622 | *46/5 |
16 | Brett Carroll | 6 | 7 | 2010 | 27 | FLA | NL | 32 | 90 | 76 | 13 | 15 | 4 | 0 | 2 | 7 | 3 | 29 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 1 | .197 | .311 | .329 | .640 | *9/7 |
March 1st, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I remember noticing that a while back and wondering if Carroll had a bad reputation or was a trash-talker. I had no idea Sal Fasano walked so rarely, though, or that he got hit so often.
March 1st, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Gee, Ron Hunt made this list over a whole season; color me SO surprised...
NOT !!!
March 1st, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Isn't this list missing Don Baylor?
March 1st, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Even though Baylor lead the league in HBP 8 times (!), his most frequent rate was once every 16.7 PA in 1987, less than the 1 in 13 requirement in Raphy's search.
March 1st, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Strange sequence of years.
6 guys in the 1900s (incl. 3 in 1901 alone), 4 more in the 1910s, and then nothing for 80 years until 1998. After '98 we get another decade (2001-2010) with 6 guys.
March 1st, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Seeing Mike Kinkade's name twice on the first list intrigued me, so I checked out his player page, then ran a few searches:
1. Mike Kinkade was hit by a pitch 28 times in 491 career PAs. There were 5 seasons in which he batted more than twice; he got hit at least once in all 5 seasons.
2. Kinkade's career HBP rate -- 5.7% of PAs -- is easily the highest of any player with at least 200 PAs. Hughie Jennings is 2nd at 5.1%.
3. Brett Carroll has been hit in 3.4% of his career PAs (11 HBP in 319 PAs), which is very high, indeed. But Kinkade's HBP rate is 65% higher than Carroll's.
4. Despite the high rate, Kinkade was never hit by a pitch in consecutive games, and had only 1 game in which he was hit twice. This is likely due to the fact that he got exactly 1 PA in almost half of his career games (103 of 222).
5. On the flip side of this picture ... The record for most career PAs without ever being hit by a pitch is held by Mark Lemke -- 3,664 PAs (plus another 257 PAs in the postseason).
March 1st, 2011 at 10:45 pm
At least some mention of Jason Kendall has to be made in this thread. Ha ha, maybe it was all those HBPs and not that horrible compound fracture that slowed him down. That and catching a lot of games. Guess he won't get much past 5th all time, though...
March 1st, 2011 at 10:57 pm
P.S. In the minors, Mike Kinkade had 174 HBP in 4,390 PAs, a rate of 4.0%, with a season high of 32 HBP at Class A Beloit in 1996.
In '97, Kinkade batted .385 to lead the AA Texas League by 24 points; he also led the league with a .455 OBP and 1.042 OPS, and had 17 SB in 21 tries. Unfortunately, he also made 60 errors in 106 games at 3B, giving him 98 errors in 2 years at that position (after converting from catcher). The organizations that had him never did really decide where to play him; despite the high BA and gap power, teams felt he didn't hit enough HRs to play 1B or LF. Kinkade batted .326 in over 1,000 minor-league games (.308 in 573 games at AAA) -- but he never got even 200 PAs in a season in the majors.
March 1st, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Even more surprising than Brett Carroll's 7 HBP in 90 PAs is the fact that Florida brought up a 27-year-old corner outfielder who was hitting .221/.299/.385 with 8 HRs in 70 games at AAA....
March 2nd, 2011 at 3:18 am
@John Autin: They didn't. He was on the opening day roster and was sent down. Moreover, he can play center as well; they kept him around here for his glove more than his bat, in fact, and he's made some highlight reel plays over the past few years. There's a lot those stats don't tell you.
March 2nd, 2011 at 3:21 am
I was intrigued by Art Fletcher. Showed up twice on the second list (more HBP than BB) and, with Whitey Alperman, was the only one to do so as an everyday or nearly everyday player.
From his player page, Fletcher seems like a very serviceable Giants shortstop (his #2 similarity score of 918 is Phil Rizzuto). He turned in season after season of remarkably similar results, mostly a singles hitter with vey few walks (about half as many as Ichiro) and not a lot of runs scored, but with more RBI (in the 70s in his peak years) than you might expect for a 100 OPS+ guy in the deadball era.
In addition to the two seasons on the list, Fletcher came close to turning this trick in 4 other seasons. Fletcher led the league 5 times in HBP, but his high total was only 19. Ron Hunt, by way of comparison, was league leader 7 times, but had more than 20 HBP in six of those seasons.
Doesn't appear Fletcher was much of a base stealer (maybe why his runs scored are low). Caught stealing was only recorded intermittently, so not sure how accurate the numbers are, but he has steal marks like 32 for 50, 12 for 30 (ouch), 7 for 15, etc. Although, he did post one season of 15 for 15 in stolen bases (that one looks suspicious).
March 2nd, 2011 at 8:40 am
I think for the second table, we might want to see players with at least 6 HBP (rather than the current 6 BB minimum). It would include all of the players on the current list plus any with extremely high HBP/BB ratios (like a theoretical line of 20 HBP/5 BB, which would not make the second list as it is currently defined)
March 2nd, 2011 at 9:56 am
The second list is purely a HBP>BB list, not a ratio-driven list.
March 2nd, 2011 at 10:34 am
It was always fun to watch Fernando Vina. Any pitch anywhere near the inside corner and he would turn, or try to turn into it.
March 2nd, 2011 at 10:40 am
@13,
Yes, but the list cutoff is 6 BB minimum.
My point was that the list should be for 6 HBP minimum. I would be interested in seeing a player with (theoretically) 20 HBP and 5 BB on the second list, whereas, right now, they would not make it because of not having enough BB (less than 6). It is not a big deal really (and not my intention to turn it into one), but I just wanted to clarify my point.
March 2nd, 2011 at 12:59 pm
@10, Tim H. -- Thanks for the correction re: Carroll's time with Florida last year. I made a false assumption.
As for his position ... I admit that I haven't seen him play. But just from the record -- no games in CF last year with the Marlins; 83 defensive innings in CF in his MLB career (only 2 since 2007); 11 minor-league games in CF over the past 2 years -- I still say he is a corner OF.
March 2nd, 2011 at 2:47 pm
I did notice that he didn't play there last year; Perhaps saying that he *has* played CF would have been better phrasing. I seem to remember seeing more of him there, but I've been wrong before, and I'll doubtless be wrong again. All the same, good glove, good arm, and that's what's gotten him most of his MLB playing time.
March 4th, 2011 at 6:35 am
I had to check out Run Hunt's 1971 season game by game to see how his chase unfolded. There was barely any clustering that I could tell. He got hit on a very regular basis. He was one short of the known record (49) with 8 games to go and he went 5 games without getting hit. Then in the final 3 games series of the season he got hit in game 160, and then again in game 161 to break the record.