Most RBI / fewest runs
Posted by Andy on November 15, 2007
Resident suggestion guru kingturtle asked about which players had the largest differential between RBI and runs in a season. There is no straightforward way to calculate the leaders for this, so I thought I'd break it down by total number of RBI.
First, here are the fewest runs scored in a season of 150+ RBI:
Cnt Player **R** RBI Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions +----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+ 1 Miguel Tejada 107 150 2004 28 BAL AL 162 725 653 203 40 2 34 48 6 73 10 0 14 24 4 1 .311 .360 .534 .894 *6 2 Juan Gonzalez 110 157 1998 28 TEX AL 154 669 606 193 50 2 45 46 9 126 6 0 11 20 2 1 .318 .366 .630 .996 *9D 3 Joe DiMaggio 110 155 1948 33 NYY AL 153 669 594 190 26 11 39 67 0 30 8 0 0 20 1 1 .320 .396 .598 .994 *8 4 Joe Medwick 111 154 1937 25 STL NL 156 677 633 237 56 10 31 41 0 50 2 1 0 11 4 0 .374 .414 .641 1.055 *7 5 Albert Belle 113 152 1998 31 CHW AL 163 706 609 200 48 2 49 81 10 84 1 0 15 17 6 4 .328 .399 .655 1.054 *7/D 6 Vern Stephens 113 159 1949 28 BOS AL 155 711 610 177 31 2 39 101 0 73 0 0 0 19 2 2 .290 .391 .539 .930 *6 7 Al Simmons 114 157 1929 27 PHA AL 143 629 581 212 41 9 34 31 0 38 1 16 0 0 4 2 .365 .398 .642 1.040 *7 8 Andres Galarraga 119 150 1996 35 COL NL 159 691 626 190 39 3 47 40 3 157 17 0 8 6 18 8 .304 .357 .601 .958 *3/5 9 Tommy Davis 120 153 1962 23 LAD NL 163 711 665 230 27 9 27 33 6 65 2 3 8 17 18 6 .346 .374 .535 .909 *758/9 10 Hank Greenberg 121 170 1935 24 DET AL 152 710 619 203 46 16 36 87 0 91 0 4 0 0 4 3 .328 .411 .628 1.039 *3 11 Babe Ruth 121 154 1929 34 NYY AL 135 587 499 172 26 6 46 72 0 60 3 13 0 0 5 3 .345 .430 .697 1.127 *97
It's not as if there are any truly "bad" seasons here. Miguel Tejada scored "only" 107 runs because he played for a team that was pretty much average offensively. Note that none of the teams were bad teams...it's hard to be too bad when you have a guy batting in 150+ runs.
Here are the lowest run totals for guy with RBI between 130 and 149:
Cnt Player **R** RBI Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions +----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+ 1 Dale Alexander 86 135 1930 27 DET AL 154 660 602 196 33 8 20 42 0 56 2 14 0 0 6 5 .326 .372 .507 .879 *3 2 Juan Gonzalez 87 131 1997 27 TEX AL 133 579 533 158 24 3 42 33 7 107 3 0 10 12 0 0 .296 .335 .589 .924 *D9 3 Bill Dickey 87 133 1937 30 NYY AL 140 608 530 176 35 2 29 73 0 22 4 1 0 0 3 2 .332 .417 .570 .987 *2 4 Juan Gonzalez 89 144 1996 26 TEX AL 134 592 541 170 33 2 47 45 12 82 3 0 3 10 2 0 .314 .368 .643 1.011 *9D 5 Andre Dawson 90 137 1987 32 CHC NL 153 662 621 178 24 2 49 32 7 103 7 0 2 15 11 3 .287 .328 .568 .896 *9 6 Hal McRae 91 133 1982 36 KCR AL 159 676 613 189 46 8 27 55 7 61 5 1 2 8 4 4 .308 .369 .542 .911 *D/7 7 Wally Berger 91 130 1935 29 BSN NL 150 644 589 174 39 4 34 50 0 80 4 1 0 14 3 0 .295 .355 .548 .903 *8 8 George Kelly 91 136 1924 28 NYG NL 144 627 571 185 37 9 21 38 0 52 5 13 0 0 7 2 .324 .371 .531 .902 *3/8475 9 Deron Johnson 92 130 1965 26 CIN NL 159 680 616 177 30 7 32 52 9 97 2 0 10 13 0 4 .287 .340 .515 .855 *5 10 Vinny Castilla 93 131 2004 36 COL NL 148 648 583 158 43 3 35 51 6 113 6 0 8 22 0 0 .271 .332 .535 .867 *5 11 Joe DiMaggio 93 133 1940 25 NYY AL 132 572 508 179 28 9 31 61 0 30 3 0 0 16 1 2 .352 .425 .626 1.051 *8
Andre Dawson's 1987 season is a classic example of what I expeced to see on this sort of search. A great player who had a phenomenal year while playing for a crap team. Just to give you an idea, with men on over his career, The Hawk batted .283, including 1987 when he batted .310 that year with runners on. Toss in 49 long balls, and that's where all his RBI came from. But his substandard teammates weren't nearly as good at batting him in. Without all those HR, he wouldn't have gotten close to 90 runs scored.
Vinny Castilla's 2004 is a similar story.
Lowest run totals for RBI 120 to 129:
Cnt Player **R** RBI Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions +----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+ 1 Rusty Staub 75 121 1978 34 DET AL 162 734 642 175 30 1 24 76 5 35 3 2 11 24 3 1 .273 .347 .435 .782 *D 2 Buck Freeman 75 121 1902 30 BOS AL 138 608 564 174 38 19 11 32 0 0 6 6 0 0 17 0 .309 .352 .502 .854 *9 3 Hack Wilson 77 123 1932 32 BRO NL 135 539 481 143 37 5 23 51 0 85 1 6 0 0 2 0 .297 .366 .538 .904 *9/87 4 Gavvy Cravath 78 128 1913 32 PHI NL 147 594 525 179 34 14 19 55 0 63 3 11 0 0 10 0 .341 .407 .568 .975 *9/87 5 Mike Lowell 79 120 2007 33 BOS AL 154 653 589 191 37 2 21 53 4 71 3 0 8 19 3 2 .324 .378 .501 .879 *5 6 Del Ennis 79 125 1953 28 PHI NL 152 643 578 165 22 3 29 57 0 53 5 3 0 14 1 3 .285 .355 .484 .839 *7 7 Walker Cooper 79 122 1947 32 NYG NL 140 546 515 157 24 8 35 24 0 43 3 4 0 13 2 0 .305 .339 .586 .925 *2 8 Cecil Fielder 80 124 1992 28 DET AL 155 676 594 145 22 0 35 73 8 151 2 0 7 14 0 0 .244 .325 .458 .783 *3D 9 Del Ennis 82 120 1955 30 PHI NL 146 623 564 167 24 7 29 46 8 46 2 2 9 14 4 2 .296 .346 .518 .864 *7/9
World Series MVP Mike Lowell makes in on there for his 2007 performance. This in part shows what in important player he was for Boston, particular in view of Manny Ramirez' off year (or decline.)
RBI 110 to 119:
Cnt Player **R** RBI Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions +----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+ 1 Gus Bell 59 115 1959 30 CIN NL 148 620 580 170 27 2 19 29 1 44 2 1 8 13 2 3 .293 .325 .445 .770 *9/7 2 Pedro Guerrero 60 117 1989 33 STL NL 162 665 570 177 42 1 17 79 13 84 4 0 12 17 2 0 .311 .391 .477 .868 *3 3 Harmon Killebrew 61 119 1971 35 MIN AL 147 624 500 127 19 1 28 114 14 96 0 0 10 21 3 2 .254 .386 .464 .850 *35 4 Ray Boone 61 116 1955 31 DET AL 135 560 500 142 22 7 20 50 2 49 1 2 7 16 1 1 .284 .346 .476 .822 *5 5 Luis Olmo 62 110 1945 25 BRO NL 141 595 556 174 27 13 10 36 0 33 1 2 0 11 15 0 .313 .356 .462 .818 *75/84 6 Ray Jablonski 64 112 1953 26 STL NL 157 640 604 162 23 5 21 34 0 61 1 1 0 15 2 2 .268 .308 .427 .735 *5 7 Andy Pafko 64 110 1945 24 CHC NL 144 608 534 159 24 12 12 45 0 36 8 21 0 4 5 0 .298 .361 .455 .816 *8 8 Dave Kingman 68 118 1984 35 OAK AL 147 613 549 147 23 1 35 44 8 119 6 0 14 7 2 1 .268 .321 .505 .826 *D/3 9 Paul O'Neill 70 110 1999 36 NYY AL 153 675 597 170 39 4 19 66 1 89 2 0 10 24 11 9 .285 .353 .459 .812 *9 10 Richie Sexson 72 116 1999 24 CLE AL 134 525 479 122 17 7 31 34 0 117 4 0 8 19 3 3 .255 .305 .514 .819 37D/9 11 Zeke Bonura 72 114 1938 29 WSH AL 137 589 540 156 27 3 22 44 0 29 3 2 0 0 2 2 .289 .346 .472 .818 *3 12 Larry Gardner 72 118 1920 34 CLE AL 154 683 597 185 31 11 3 53 0 25 1 32 0 0 3 20 .310 .367 .414 .781 *5
Whoa, Gus Bell in 1959 had a ratio of 1.95 RBI for each run scored, which is getting quite small. Funny that Ray Boone, the other most famous three-generation MLB patriach, makes it here too.
And finally, RBI 100 to 109:
Cnt Player **R** RBI Year Age Tm Lg G PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions +----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+ 1 Vic Wertz 45 103 1960 35 BOS AL 131 487 443 125 22 0 19 37 4 54 1 1 5 13 0 2 .282 .335 .460 .795 *3 2 Danny Tartabull 58 101 1996 33 CHW AL 132 541 472 120 23 3 27 64 4 128 0 0 5 10 1 2 .254 .340 .487 .827 *9D 3 Ernie Banks 60 106 1969 38 CHC NL 155 629 565 143 19 2 23 42 7 101 7 8 7 15 0 0 .253 .309 .416 .725 *3 4 Smead Jolley 60 106 1932 30 TOT AL 149 606 573 179 30 5 18 30 0 29 3 0 0 0 1 5 .312 .350 .476 .826 *79 5 Lee May 61 109 1976 33 BAL AL 148 583 530 137 17 4 25 41 8 104 3 2 7 11 4 1 .258 .312 .447 .759 *3D 6 Willie Montanez 61 101 1975 27 TOT NL 156 667 602 182 34 2 10 49 8 62 4 2 10 26 6 3 .302 .353 .415 .768 *3 7 Del Ennis 61 105 1957 32 STL NL 136 537 490 140 24 3 24 37 3 50 1 1 8 22 1 3 .286 .332 .494 .826 *79 8 Heinie Zimmerman 61 102 1917 30 NYG NL 150 620 585 174 22 9 5 16 0 43 1 18 0 0 13 0 .297 .317 .391 .708 *5/4 9 Harold Baines 62 103 1999 40 TOT AL 135 486 430 134 18 1 25 54 3 48 0 0 2 16 1 2 .312 .387 .533 .920 *D 10 Mo Vaughn 63 108 1999 31 ANA AL 139 592 524 147 20 0 33 54 7 127 11 0 3 11 0 0 .281 .358 .508 .866 *3D 11 Eddie Robinson 64 102 1953 32 PHA AL 156 685 615 152 28 4 22 63 0 56 5 2 0 13 1 2 .247 .322 .413 .735 *3 12 Del Pratt 64 103 1916 28 SLB AL 158 669 596 159 35 12 5 54 0 56 3 16 0 0 26 17 .267 .331 .391 .722 *4 13 Mike Lowell 65 100 2001 27 FLA NL 146 614 551 156 37 0 18 43 3 79 10 0 10 9 1 2 .283 .340 .448 .788 *5 14 George Hendrick 65 104 1982 32 STL NL 136 568 515 145 20 5 19 37 8 80 1 1 14 13 3 2 .282 .323 .450 .773 *9 15 Lee May 65 105 1973 30 HOU NL 146 590 545 147 24 3 28 34 10 122 2 0 9 13 1 1 .270 .310 .479 .789 *3 16 John Mayberry 65 100 1972 23 KCR AL 149 588 503 150 24 3 25 78 13 74 3 1 3 12 0 2 .298 .394 .507 .901 *3 17 Vic Wertz 65 106 1956 31 CLE AL 136 568 481 127 22 0 32 75 10 87 5 0 7 8 0 0 .264 .364 .509 .873 *3 18 Luke Easter 65 103 1951 35 CLE AL 128 532 486 131 12 5 27 37 0 71 9 0 0 14 0 1 .270 .333 .481 .814 *3 19 Jim Tabor 65 101 1941 24 BOS AL 126 539 498 139 29 3 16 36 0 48 0 5 0 17 17 9 .279 .328 .446 .774 *5 20 Ted Simmons 66 103 1974 24 STL NL 152 662 599 163 33 6 20 47 8 35 6 1 9 22 0 0 .272 .327 .447 .774 *23
Well Vic Wertz takes the cake, I think. But there's our man Mike Lowell at #13 again...hmm....
So Mike Lowell has 778 career RBI. I did the same search above, but summed over the career, and searched for players with the fewest runs scored with 750 to 800 career RBI. The cool thing about this search is that it somewhat self-regulates for offensive differences between various eras since we're comparing two stats directly related to run-scoring.
Cnt Player **R** RBI From To Ages G PA AB H 2B 3B HR BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions Teams +----+-----------------+--------+----+----+----+-----+----+-----+-----+----+---+---+---+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+-----------+ 1 Gus Zernial 572 776 1949 1959 26-36 1234 4561 4131 1093 159 22 237 383 3 755 24 3 20 106 15 7 .265 .329 .486 .815 *7/39 CHW-TOT-PHA-KCA-DET 2 Aramis Ramirez 589 770 1998 2007 20-29 1179 4838 4403 1246 259 15 222 322 32 662 57 3 53 127 11 11 .283 .336 .500 .836 *5/D PIT-TOT-CHC 3 Tony Clark 610 789 1995 2007 23-35 1415 4858 4315 1142 224 11 244 485 54 1130 20 0 38 122 6 9 .265 .339 .491 .830 *3/D7 DET-BOS-NYM-NYY-ARI 4 Duffy Lewis 612 793 1910 1921 22-33 1459 6007 5351 1518 289 68 38 352 0 353 40 264 0 0 113 47 .284 .333 .384 .717 *7/8915 BOS-NYY-WSH 5 Elston Howard 619 762 1955 1968 26-39 1605 5843 5363 1471 218 50 167 373 82 786 26 29 52 157 9 14 .274 .322 .427 .749 *27/39 NYY-TOT-BOS 6 Kevin Mitchell 630 760 1984 1998 22-36 1223 4696 4134 1173 224 25 234 491 87 719 27 2 42 89 30 31 .284 .360 .520 .880 *75/D9638 NYM-TOT-SFG-SEA-CIN-CLE-OAK 7 Mike Lowell 636 778 1998 2007 24-33 1296 5302 4731 1323 325 6 184 454 37 661 46 1 70 123 26 11 .280 .344 .468 .812 *5/4D NYY-FLA-BOS 8 Jason Thompson 640 782 1976 1986 21-31 1418 5686 4802 1253 204 12 208 816 70 862 9 5 54 113 8 7 .261 .366 .438 .804 *3/D DET-TOT-PIT-MON 9 Lou Piniella 651 766 1964 1984 20-40 1747 6362 5867 1705 305 41 102 368 82 541 31 35 61 209 32 41 .291 .333 .409 .742 *79D/83 BAL-CLE-KCR-NYY 10 Rico Petrocelli 653 773 1963 1976 20-33 1553 6170 5390 1352 237 22 210 661 61 926 26 36 57 127 10 22 .251 .332 .420 .752 65/D43 BOS
So Lowell's got the 7th fewest runs scored all time for the 750 to 800 RBI range. Interesting that two other current players, Aramis Ramirez and Tony Clark, also make the list. Plus there's Kevin Mitchell...hmm.
Pretty neat eh?
November 15th, 2007 at 9:57 am
I don't think '87 Dawson's low RS total is entirely due to his teammates. some of the blame has to fall on Dawson himself for posting an OBP 15 points below league average (including a .315 OBP from the 3rd spot in the lineup - that's just not good). those Cubs did have Durham and Moreland each hitting 27 HR, so it's not like Dawson was the only power source on the team.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:18 am
That's fair...a .315 OBP is shameful, especially in a fairly bad lineup where you'd have expected him to get a lot of walks.
Of course, as we all know, 1987 was a messed up year in terms of offense. It's not like hitting 20 HR was rare. In 1987, 77 players hit 20 HR. In 1986, it was 58, and in 1988 it was 41. 1987 was clearly a fluke year, whether it was due to a funny baseball or what.
November 15th, 2007 at 10:27 am
Yeah, you see a fair amount of low OBP sluggers on here, especially on the career list.
Somewhat related - I read this neat article yesterday on Frank Thomas "clogging up the basepaths". It was about whether or not he scores enough runs relative to his times on base. I wonder if you could do a PI to find the worst or best examples of this.
Here's the article: http://www.dugoutcentral.com/blog/?p=542
November 15th, 2007 at 11:42 am
I came across this idea while looking at Lee May's stats. In 1976 he had 109 RBIs and 61 Runs, for a ratio of 1.79:1. I was curious who had more dramatic ratios. And so the results are in for players with 100 or more RBIs in a season...
Player, Year, Ratio
Vic Wertz, 1960, 2.29
Gus Bell, 1959, 1.95
Pedro Guerrero, 1989, 1.95
Ray Boone, 1955, 1.90
By the way, I think I mentioned this before on this blog. In 1955, Ray Boone led the league in RBIs and was *NOT* in the top ten in Total Bases. As far as I can tell, he's the only one to ever do that.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:29 pm
By the way, for the last list in my post, the idea that current players show up a lot is somewhat due to a bias. Any player who played long enough to get more than 800 RBI is no longer eligible for this search. A more exhaustive way to do it would be to search for 750-800 RBIs to start a player's career, and how many runs scored had had through that number of seasons.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
It would be great if the PI could do simple mathematics calculations, so you wouldn't have to scan through lists and manually perform those ratio calculations like kingturtle did. I'm sure it would be a headache for b-r.com to set it up though and not worth the trouble.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
I've had a bit of dialog with Sean about this. The main thing is that open up the site to processing like that makes it (potentially) susceptible to hacking. One thing I suggested to him was use of a simple drop-down menu system, whereby you could have it calculate STAT OPERATION STAT, for example RBI MINUS RUNS or HR TIMES BA, etc. He might choose to implement that, or another solution, at some point.
November 15th, 2007 at 12:59 pm
This is mostly an issue of walks and strikeouts.
November 15th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
Care to explain further? Given the huge range in OBP seen for the guys above, I don't see how that is the case at all.
November 15th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
kingturtle - your list is missing Killebrew who is second all time
November 15th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Also just missing the cutoff was Terry Kennedy in 1983 who had 98 RBI and 47 R for a 2.085 ratio.
November 15th, 2007 at 7:57 pm
Here are the career leaders (1900-2006) among players with at least 700 RBI:
Ernie Lombardi 1.647254576
Walt Dropo 1.472803347
Dick Stuart 1.468379447
Walker Cooper 1.417102967
Roy Campanella 1.36523126
Joe Adcock 1.363304982
Gabby Hartnett 1.359861592
Vic Wertz 1.358708189
Gus Zernial 1.356643357
Cecil Fielder 1.35483871
Dave Kingman 1.342952275
Boog Powell 1.335208099
Willie Horton 1.332187858
Pinky Whitney 1.331896552
Tony Armas 1.327361564
Eddie Robinson 1.324175824
Juan Gonzalez 1.323279925
Frank McCormick 1.317174515
Rudy York 1.315068493
Deron Johnson 1.307365439
November 15th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
It's an interesting question, I think, as to why it seems like so many more players have more career RBI than R, when it fact we know that lifetime those two numbers are almost identical. (If fact, there are more Runs since, for example, a run scoring on a double play counts as a run scored, but there is no RBI.) It's probably just a bias, though, to pay attention to these numbers more for players with bigger power numbers. If we could get a list of the reverse ratio--most runs scored per RBI--we'd see guys like Tim Raines who have way more R....he scored 1571 runs and batted in 980. That's 1.603 ratio, higher than anybody leading the opposing list.
November 15th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Andy - you're right about the list being populated by speedsters. They and turn of the century guys.
These are the R/RBI leaders among players with at least 700 Runs scored. I limited it to players who started their careers in 1910 or later. Stats only run through 2006. (With these criteria Raines ends up at 68th)
Otis Nixon 2.761006289
Max Bishop 2.548812665
Vince Coleman 2.453757225
Don Blasingame 2.373376623
Luis Castillo 2.371875
Brett Butler 2.351211073
Maury Wills 2.329694323
Richie Ashburn 2.255972696
Eddie Stanky 2.228021978
Johnny Pesky 2.146039604
Sparky Adams 2.14213198
Jim Gilliam 2.084229391
George Case 2.082228117
Ron LeFlore 2.07082153
Rickey Henderson 2.058295964
Jack Smith 2.04973822
Ron Hunt 2.013513514
Lloyd Waner 2.008361204
Tony Womack 2.008152174
Max Flack 2.002557545