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Games without a Decision

Posted by Raphy on August 5, 2009

Arthur Rhodes has now pitched in 46 games this season without earning a decision and now stands only 2 games away from second place for most games in a season without having a record. The record is 76 games set 2 years ago by Trever Miller, whose exploits were documented on the  SoTD blogHere are the current leaders.

  Cnt Player             **G**  Dec Year Age Tm  Lg  GS CG SHO GF  W  L  W-L% SV   IP   H   R   ER  BB  SO   ERA  ERA+ HR  BF   AB  2B 3B IBB HBP  SH  SF GDP  SB CS Pk BK WP   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS  OPS+  Pit  Str
+----+-----------------+-------+---+----+---+---+--+---+--+---+--+--+--+-----+--+-----+---+---+---+---+---+------+----+--+----+----+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+----+----+
    1 Trever Miller        76     0 2007  34 HOU NL   0  0   0 12  0  0        1  46.1  45  26  25  23  46   4.86   90  6  211  181 11  2   6   4   3   0   2   3  0  0  0  1  .249  .346  .431  .777  105  833  527
    2 Scott Aldred         48     0 1998  30 TBD AL   0  0   0  8  0  0        0  31.1  33  13  13  12  21   3.73  127  1  135  118  7  0   3   2   3   0   7   2  1  0  0  2  .280  .356  .364  .720   86
    3 Arthur Rhodes        46     0 2009  39 CIN NL   0  0   0  9  0  0        0  37.2  25  10   9  15  35   2.15  206  3  152  133  4  2   2   0   3   1   2   2  2  1  0  1  .188  .268  .316  .584    0  640  420
    4 Manny Delcarmen      44     0 2007  25 BOS AL   0  0   0  5  0  0        1  44    28  11  10  17  41   2.05  232  4  176  153  1  2   1   2   2   2   1   2  2  0  0  0  .183  .270  .294  .564   45  704  429
    5 Kelly Wunsch         43     0 2003  30 CHW AL   0  0   0  6  0  0        0  36    17  13  11  25  33   2.75  168  1  160  122  5  0   4   7   1   5   0   6  0  0  0  1  .139  .308  .205  .513   39  628  369
    6 Mike Flanagan        42     0 1992  40 BAL AL   0  0   0 15  0  0        0  34.2  50  34  31  23  17   8.05   50  3  180  148  6  1   1   5   2   2   5   2  0  0  0  4  .338  .438  .453  .891  148
    7 Jason Christianse    40     0 2003  33 SFG NL   0  0   0  7  0  0        0  26    25  15  15  11  22   5.19   81  3  115  103  6  2   0   1   0   0   0   0  0  0  0  2  .243  .322  .427  .749  100  461  290
    8 Joe Klink            40     0 1990  28 OAK AL   0  0   0 19  0  0        1  39.2  34   9   9  18  19   2.04  182  1  165  146  4  1   0   0   1   0   7   2  0  0  1  3  .233  .317  .295  .612   75
    9 Larry Andersen       40     0 1982  29 SEA AL   1  0   0 14  0  0        1  79.2 100  56  53  23  32   5.99   72 16  354  322 25  1   1   4   2   3   9   4  1  2  0  2  .311  .361  .543  .904  141
   10 Ron Villone          37     0 2007  37 NYY AL   0  0   0 13  0  0        0  42.1  36  20  20  18  25   4.25  105  5  176  154  2  0   3   3   0   1   8   0  0  0  0  4  .234  .324  .344  .668   77  668  414

Of  course a record like this can easily disappear mid-season if a pitcher earns a decision. Here are the pitchers since  1954 who have pitched more at least as many games as  Rhodes before earning their fist decision of the season.:

                   StreakStart  Streak End Games   W   L   GS  CG SHO  GF  SV   IP     H    R   ER   BB   SO   HR   ERA  HBP  WP  BK Teams
+-----------------+-----------+-----------+-----+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
 Trever Miller      2007-04-06  2007-09-18    76    0   0   0   0   0  12   1   46.1   45   26   25   23   46   6   4.86   4   1   0 HOU

 John Smoltz        2004-04-07  2004-09-21    68    0   0   0   0   0  57  40   77     70   20   20   10   79   7   2.34   0   4   0 ATL

 Mike Gallo         2004-04-15  2004-09-08    60    0   0   0   0   0   5   0   45     53   26   25   18   32  12   5.00   5   2   0 HOU
 Armando Benitez    2002-04-01  2002-09-19    60    0   0   0   0   0  50  33   64.1   45   20   17   25   76   8   2.38   3   1   0 NYM

 Joe Nathan         2008-03-31  2008-08-27    57    0   0   0   0   0  48  36   57     37    7    7   13   62   4   1.11   1   2   0 MIN

 Ricardo Rincon     2004-04-09  2004-09-10    56    0   0   0   0   0   8   0   37.1   36   18   15   19   33   3   3.62   1   4   0 OAK
 Arnold Earley      1965-04-17  1965-09-24    56    0   0   0   0   0  11   0   71     74   39   29   28   45   5   3.68   3   2   1 BOS

 Jamie Walker       2006-04-05  2006-09-27    54    0   0   0   0   0  13   0   45.2   43   11   11    8   37   5   2.17   0   1   0 DET
 Rob Murphy         1991-04-11  1991-09-02    54    0   0   0   0   0  26   4   47.1   45   14   13   17   34   4   2.47   1   4   0 SEA

 Eric Gagne         2002-04-02  2002-08-01    50    0   0   0   0   0  44  35   52     32   12   12    6   71   5   2.08   2   0   0 LAD
 Ed Vande Berg      1987-04-08  1987-09-13    50    0   0   0   0   0  16   0   64     87   39   39   16   36   9   5.48   0   5   0 CLE

 Damaso Marte       2007-04-02  2007-08-15    49    0   0   0   0   0   9   0   37.1   26   10    8   13   42   1   1.93   2   0   1 PIT

 Bobby Seay         2007-04-08  2007-08-24    48    0   0   0   0   0  15   1   36.1   34   12   12   13   27   1   2.97   2   1   1 DET
 Scott Aldred       1998-05-16  1998-09-27    48    0   0   0   0   0   8   0   31.1   33   13   13   12   21   1   3.73   2   2   0 TBD

 Scott Stewart      2001-04-05  2001-08-18    47    0   0   0   0   0   6   2   37     32   16   16   11   26   3   3.89   3   1   0 MON
 Rich Rodriguez     1999-04-06  1999-08-27    47    0   0   0   0   0   6   0   47     49   25   25   25   34   7   4.79   1   1   0 SFG
 Tom Henke          1995-04-27  1995-09-09    47    0   0   0   0   0  42  33   50     39    9    9   15   43   2   1.62   0   1   0 STL

 Arthur Rhodes      2009-04-06  2009-08-04    46    0   0   0   0   0   9   0   38     25   10    9   15   35   3   2.13   0   1   0 FLA-CIN
 Mike Myers         2003-04-01  2003-07-23    46    0   0   0   0   0  11   0   26.1   29   17   17   11   13   2   5.81   4   1   0 ARI
 Frank Williams     1987-04-06  1987-07-12    46    0   0   0   0   0  10   1   61     57   23   19   18   37   3   2.80   1   2   0 CIN

Clearly the Rhodes ahead is still a long way to go.

8 Responses to “Games without a Decision”

  1. tomepp Says:

    If Rhoades goes three more games without a decision or a save (and gets none the rest of the way), he'll beat Aldred for the most pitching appearances in a season without a Win, Loss, OR Save. Pretty cool on its own merits.

    Of course, six other guys had longer streaks but lost them before the end of the season, according to your second list.

  2. Yankeefan25 Says:

    THIS IS INSANE!! How does your offense not get enough runs for you to get a win in 76 games!!!!!

  3. Raphy Says:

    Tomepp - I didn't notice that. That's preety cool.

  4. tomepp Says:

    To Yankeefan25: How? You enter a lot of games when your team is already losing or winning, often by a lot. In today's ultra-specialized bullpen, it is not uncommon for a pitcher to have a specific role, like only entering ballgames in the 6th or 7th inning that your team is behind by at least two runs. If the pitcher then pitches only one inning, his team has only one shot at taking the lead (perhaps requiring at least three runs in their half of the inning) to give that pitcher the win. Of course, if the pitcher comes out before the end of the half-inning, he has no shot at a win – and if his team was already behind when he entered, he won’t get saddled with the loss, either. Of course, sometimes schedules and situations force a manager to use a pitcher out-of-character, but that doesn't guarantee a decision in those cases, either.

    In the case of Rhoades, he has not pitched more than 3 outs in any of his appearances this year, and in only 5 of the 46 has he spanned more than one inning (giving his team two chances to take the lead), and 4 of those 5 he entered with his team already ahead – no chance for a win there. (In the other multi-inning appearance, he entered and left with his team tied.) He also entered the game with his team leading in 22 of his appearances (48%). In those games, he could not earn a win, and would only get a loss if he pitched poorly enough to surrender the lead (his 2.15 ERA this year suggests that he’s not prone to doing that too often). In 16 of those 22, his team led by at least 2 runs, meaning that he’d have to surrender at least 3 runs – something he has not yet done this year – to get tagged with a loss.

    I counted 4 games in which he could not get a decision because he entered the game with his team behind (no chance for a loss), and did not complete the inning (no chance for a win). In 23 of the remaining 42 games, he entered the game with his team ahead, so could only pick up a loss by pitching poorly. That leaves only 19 games in which he theoretically could pick up a win, but in almost half of those (9 games), his team was behind by more than 2 runs, meaning that his team would have to score at least 3 runs in their half-inning to give Arthur the win. (In 5 of those 9, they trailed by at least 5 runs – highly unlikely to rally for that many in a single inning.)

    So Rhoades has had a bit of bad luck in terms of picking up wins, but he’s only had a reasonable shot at getting a win in about 22% of his games (10 of 46 by my count).

  5. tomepp Says:

    One other quick note on Rhoades' appearances; he entered tie games 8 times thus far this season and completed the inning (giving him a chance to pick up a win) in 5 of them. Obviously, his team failed to take and keep the lead for him in those. In those 8 games, he surrendered a run twice – one he put on, the other was inherited. The Reds got back the run he surrendered this past Sunday in the bottom of the inning (but lost in extra innings), while the inherited runner he allowed to score back on May 23 proved to be the losing run for the Reds and saddled Dave Weathers with the loss.

  6. tomepp Says:

    It's harder to tell, because for some reason most splits don't display holds or blown saves, but I wonder what the record is for most appearances is without a Win, Loss, Save, Hold, or Blown Save -- a true "no decision"? (Rhoades has 17 holds, Aldred had 8 holds in 1998. All the guys listed had at least 4 holds in the given season.)

    Also, does anyone know why holds (and either blown saves or save opportunities) are not listed in a player's splits - either here or on mlb.com? When I want to compile monthly totals for my fantasy league players, I have to go to the players' game logs and count them manually.

    It seems to me that holds and blown saves are some reasonably basic counting stats; at least as relevant as IBB or balks, or sac hits and flies (which are listed in the battig against pitcher splits). Listing saves without blown saves would be like listing wins without losses, or stolen bases without caught stealing - it's only telling a partial story.

  7. JohnnyTwisto Says:

    Tomepp, holds, BS, and Save opps are all included on the pitching stat pages under "Reliever Pitching." Which also includes Leverage Index, which tells us that Rhodes has faced an average LI of 1.403. This is pretty high (third highest in the Cincy bullpen) and tells us Rhodes has been used in some big spots, making it even more surprising he hasn't earned a decision. His limited innings have prevented that, as Tomepp explained above.

  8. tomepp Says:

    ...but they're not listed in the pitchers' splits (e.g. platoon splits, home/away, monthly, etc.) Holds are not even listed in the Game Outcome splits.