Best season by a 35-year-old catcher
Posted by Andy on August 21, 2007
This post is basically about Jorge Posada, but includes some other thoughts about catching.
Firstly, here are all seasons by a 35-year-old catcher (age calculated on June 30th) with an OPS+ of 100 or better. (At least 50% of games at catcher, minimum 300 PA):
Cnt Player **OPS+** PA Year Age Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions +----+-----------------+--------+---+----+---+---+--+---+---+---+---+--+--+--+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+ 1 Jorge Posada 155 458 2007 35 NYY AL 113 397 66 132 32 1 15 70 54 7 84 4 0 3 16 2 0 .332 .415 .531 .946 *2/D3 2 Mike Grady 139 351 1905 35 STL NL 100 311 41 89 20 7 4 41 33 0 0 3 4 0 0 15 0 .286 .360 .434 .794 *23 3 Carlton Fisk 134 545 1983 35 CHW AL 138 488 85 141 26 4 26 86 46 3 88 6 2 3 8 9 6 .289 .355 .518 .873 *2/D 4 Smoky Burgess 133 399 1962 35 PIT NL 103 360 38 118 19 2 13 61 31 9 19 0 2 6 6 0 1 .328 .375 .500 .875 *2 5 Spud Davis 132 324 1940 35 PIT NL 99 285 23 93 14 1 5 39 35 0 20 2 2 0 15 0 0 .326 .404 .435 .839 *2 6 Walker Cooper 129 420 1950 35 TOT NL 117 384 55 120 22 3 14 64 30 0 31 3 3 0 9 1 0 .313 .367 .495 .862 *2 7 Elston Howard 127 607 1964 35 NYY AL 150 550 63 172 27 3 15 84 48 12 73 5 0 4 10 1 1 .313 .371 .455 .826 *2 8 Roger Bresnahan 124 311 1914 35 CHC NL 101 248 42 69 10 4 0 24 49 0 20 2 12 0 0 14 0 .278 .401 .351 .752 *24/8 9 Ernie Lombardi 123 315 1943 35 NYG NL 104 295 19 90 7 0 10 51 16 0 11 3 1 0 18 1 0 .305 .347 .431 .778 *2 10 Yogi Berra 119 404 1960 35 NYY AL 120 359 46 99 14 1 15 62 38 6 23 3 0 4 11 2 1 .276 .347 .446 .793 *279 11 Alan Ashby 117 441 1987 35 HOU NL 125 386 53 111 16 0 14 63 50 2 52 1 0 4 14 0 1 .288 .367 .438 .805 *2 12 Gabby Hartnett 114 468 1936 35 CHC NL 121 424 49 130 25 6 7 64 30 0 36 6 8 0 12 0 0 .307 .361 .443 .804 *2 13 Gregg Zaun 110 339 2006 35 TOR AL 99 290 39 79 19 0 12 40 41 3 42 3 0 5 10 0 2 .272 .363 .462 .825 *2D 14 Rick Dempsey 108 420 1985 35 BAL AL 132 362 54 92 19 0 12 52 50 0 87 1 5 2 2 0 1 .254 .345 .406 .751 *2 15 Jeff Reed 106 303 1998 35 COL NL 113 259 43 75 17 1 9 39 37 4 57 1 3 3 6 0 0 .290 .377 .467 .844 *2 16 Ernie Whitt 105 494 1987 35 TOR AL 135 446 57 120 24 1 19 75 44 4 50 1 0 3 17 0 1 .269 .334 .455 .789 *2 17 Al Todd 104 534 1937 35 PIT NL 133 514 51 158 18 10 8 86 16 0 36 1 3 0 16 2 0 .307 .330 .428 .758 *2 18 Jason Varitek 102 396 2007 35 BOS AL 100 340 45 90 13 3 10 51 47 7 86 5 0 4 8 1 1 .265 .359 .409 .768 *2 19 Bob Wood 100 368 1901 35 CLE AL 98 346 45 101 23 3 1 49 12 0 0 6 4 0 0 6 0 .292 .327 .384 .711 *2/596437
I chose OPS+ so that each season could be judged in its own context. Remember that by definition, a player can appear on this list only once (unless he can find a way to be 35 years old in more than one season.)
Let's mention briefly some of the guys who you might have thought would be on that list, but aren't:
- First coming to mind is of course Johnny Bench. His 35-year-old season was actually his last season in the bigs (1983), and although he had an OPS+ of exactly 100, he played mainly 3B.
- Gary Carter didn't have enough PA in his 35-year-old season (1989) to qualify, plus he had a horrid OPS+ of 51 (!!) that year.
- In Mike Piazza's 35-year-old season (2004) he had on OPS+ of 108 but played more 1B than C.
- Roy Campanella's 35-year-old-season was, like Bench, his last in the bigs. He played catcher but had an OPS+ of 81.
- Ivan Rodriguez is 35 this year and has an OPS+ of 90.
- Ted Simmons had an OPS+ of 103 in 1985, but played mainly DH.
Now let's talk about Posada. Firstly, those numbers above aren't updated through last night (and don't represent a full season, unlike everyone else on the list.) At the moment he has 16 HR, 73 RBI, and an OPS+ of 156. For 2007, he's on pace for 21 HR and 97 RBI. That would be, by far, the RBI record for a 35-year-old catcher. The current record is 86, held by Fisk and Todd, as above. The 21 HR would be second all-time to Fisk's 26. (By the way, can you believe that Fisk was 35 all the way back in 1983???)
It's pretty clear that Posada is having the greatest season by a 35-year-old catcher. What's less clear is what to expect coming up. As has been well-documented, he is a free agent after this season.
First take a look at the 10 players most similar to Posada through age 34 (end of last season):
- Carlton Fisk (917) *
- Rich Aurilia (909)
- Doug DeCinces (902)
- Mike Lieberthal (901)
- Jose Valentin (897)
- Mickey Tettleton (896)
- Roy Campanella (895) *
- Brian Downing (888)
- Joe Gordon (885)
- Carl Everett (882)
If you're hoping that Posada remains productive for a few more years, this is not an encouraging list. Fisk and Downing were the only ones productive past 35. Aurelia is 35 this year and looks finished. Amazingly, the same is true for Leiberthal. Valentin is 37, out for the year, and has had two dreadful seasons and one okay season in the last 3. DeCinces and Tettleton were finished at 36. Gordon, Campanella, and Everett were finished at 35.
More generally, we know that catchers rarely continue catching full-time after the age of 35. So the big question is: wherever Posada plays next year, whether with the Yankees or not, what position will he play?
If you're following the Yankees, you must think that they plan to try to re-sign Posada to play first base. Firstly, with both Johnny Damon (who has lost his starting job in CF to Melky Cabrera) and Jason Giambi under contract for next season, there is no way that Posada can DH full time, especially considering that Hideki Matsui has a chronic knee problem and occasionally needs to DH (and be spelled in LF by Damon, a much better position for his below-average defense.) Moreover, the Yankees resisted trading for a new 1B after Doug Mientkiewicz went down with an injury. They played Cairo at 1B earlier in the season, and have been giving Wilson Betemit and Shelley Duncan time at 1B, which cannot possibly be their long-term plan. I can only assume that they did not go after Teixeira because they expect to be able to resign Posada and play him largely at 1B next year (where he has appeared in 18 games previously in his career.)
I wanted to touch on another subject about Posada and more generally about catchers. Supposedly, from what I hear, Posada is an excellent game-caller and has a good rapport with all of his pitchers except Mike Mussina. To a fan, this aspect of catching is largely unknown and overlooked. We forget that catchers are responsible for recognizing the in-game performance of pitchers, calling pitches, and studying up on hitters just as much as pitchers. The common fan (myself included) has no idea how good most catchers are in these areas. There was a time not so long ago when catcher, like the middle infield positions, was considered a defensive position and any offense was a bonus. Just look at OPS+ leaders for catcher in the 1980s (minimum 2000 PA):
Cnt Player **OPS+** PA From To Ages G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions Teams +----+-----------------+--------+-----+----+----+-----+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+-----------+ 1 Gary Carter 119 5415 1980 1989 26-35 1312 4793 625 1265 219 19 207 800 505 69 540 41 12 64 119 11 18 .264 .335 .447 .782 *2/3975 MON-NYM 2 Carlton Fisk 112 4736 1980 1989 32-41 1194 4221 601 1104 189 16 192 660 378 62 652 81 12 44 97 67 32 .262 .331 .450 .781 *2/D735 BOS-CHW 3 Lance Parrish 109 5249 1980 1989 24-33 1283 4769 599 1223 212 20 225 764 405 50 960 19 11 45 135 17 25 .256 .314 .451 .765 *2/D397 DET-PHI-CAL 4 Darrell Porter 109 2794 1980 1987 28-35 808 2355 302 568 103 17 80 350 395 52 463 18 2 24 47 16 12 .241 .351 .401 .752 *2/D3 KCR-STL-TEX 5 Bob Brenly 106 2995 1981 1989 27-35 871 2615 321 647 119 7 91 333 318 35 438 17 21 24 50 45 38 .247 .330 .403 .733 *2/35D79 SFG-TOT 6 Ron Hassey 105 3153 1980 1989 27-36 946 2770 300 754 143 7 59 361 321 25 307 19 14 29 93 10 9 .272 .349 .393 .742 *2/D3 CLE-TOT-NYY-CHW-OAK 7 Alan Ashby 104 2941 1980 1989 28-37 857 2590 257 668 121 6 67 353 297 44 365 5 16 33 77 3 3 .258 .332 .387 .719 *2 HOU 8 Ernie Whitt 103 3927 1980 1989 28-37 1193 3469 420 881 161 15 131 512 400 42 437 4 20 34 87 22 24 .254 .329 .422 .751 *2/D TOR 9 Ozzie Virgil 102 2550 1980 1989 23-32 736 2253 258 549 84 6 98 307 248 21 450 29 8 12 81 4 5 .244 .325 .417 .742 *2/D PHI-ATL-TOR 10 Mike Scioscia 100 3765 1980 1989 21-30 1070 3245 294 848 151 7 45 316 433 80 213 15 46 26 81 18 18 .261 .348 .354 .702 *2 LAD
Those are pretty low values for the top 10. If you don't believe me, compare it to the same list for 1B:
Cnt Player **OPS+** PA From To Ages G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB SO HBP SH SF GDP SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS Positions Teams +----+-----------------+--------+-----+----+----+-----+----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+----+----+---+----+---+---+---+---+----+---+-----+-----+-----+-----+---------+-----------+ 1 Will Clark 155 2410 1986 1989 22-25 582 2100 361 638 125 22 98 352 257 62 406 17 12 24 20 26 28 .304 .380 .524 .904 *3 SFG 2 Don Mattingly 144 4422 1982 1989 21-28 1015 4022 615 1300 272 15 164 717 314 82 238 10 13 63 101 8 7 .323 .368 .521 .889 *3/97D584 NYY 3 Eddie Murray 141 6437 1980 1989 24-33 1500 5612 858 1642 289 19 274 996 754 133 733 13 0 58 139 52 18 .293 .374 .497 .871 *3/D5 BAL-LAD 4 Alvin Davis 135 3772 1984 1989 23-28 881 3180 461 921 176 9 131 530 531 67 403 24 2 35 78 7 11 .290 .392 .474 .866 *3/D SEA 5 Keith Hernandez 132 5756 1980 1989 26-35 1357 4932 744 1480 273 32 114 735 742 93 674 24 4 54 107 63 42 .300 .390 .438 .828 *3/79 STL-TOT-NYM 6 Kent Hrbek 131 4767 1981 1989 21-29 1156 4178 624 1212 224 16 201 724 523 77 564 17 5 44 101 19 16 .290 .368 .496 .864 *3/D MIN 7 Glenn Davis 127 3044 1984 1989 23-28 737 2705 383 713 135 6 144 454 264 59 436 39 4 32 59 15 7 .264 .334 .478 .812 *3/9 HOU 8 Jason Thompson 127 3294 1980 1986 25-31 839 2724 371 715 127 2 114 448 531 51 513 6 2 31 64 4 2 .262 .380 .436 .816 *3/D TOT-PIT-MON 9 Leon Durham 124 4067 1980 1989 22-31 1067 3587 522 992 192 40 147 530 444 96 679 9 3 24 49 106 61 .277 .356 .475 .831 *398/7 STL-CHC-TOT-STL 10 Willie Aikens 123 2308 1980 1985 25-30 616 2022 237 551 103 2 89 328 248 32 342 17 0 21 76 1 1 .273 .354 .457 .811 *3D KCR-TOR
When catchers and middle infielders started to really hit in the 1990s, strategy seemed to change to simply get the best-hitting player at every position. Most people agree that defense has suffered and is of overall lower quality now than it was 20 years ago. My question is: to what degree has this affected pitching? If there is less emphasis on a catcher's ability to study hitters and call a game, or more allowance for substandard performance in these areas if guy is giving you 20 HR and 80 RBI, is this one reason why run-scoring is up? It's sort of a double-whammy effect. Today's catchers produce stats closer to league-wide averages for OPS+, and probably are also less effective catchers, both leading to increased offense.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Andy - how about Javier Lopez' 2003 season with the bat? Where would that rank?
August 21st, 2007 at 2:16 pm
Never mind! I just realized he was younger than 35 then. Sorry.
August 21st, 2007 at 2:27 pm
Steve raises a good point that's worth repeating--there have been many great seasons by catchers not discussed here--looking just at Age 35 seasons is very artificial and restrictive....wondering about Posada's future is just so darn interesting...
August 21st, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Recently did some research on active catchers likely for HoF. I searched those with at least 1000 games and ranked them by career OPS+. Piazza and Pudge Rodriguez are clearly headed for the Hall. Among catchers currently in the Hall, Piazza (OPS+ = 144)would rank (based on today's stats) first in HR, 4th in hits and RBIs, 2nd in BA, 3rd in OBP and 1st in SLG. His OPS+ of 144 would also be first by far among HoF catchers (2nd place would go to King Kelly at 138; among players from the last 100 years, the next best OPS+ catcher is Mickey Cochrane at 128). Pudge is already 1st in hits and doubles, 3rd in runs and 5th in BA and SLG. Oddly, his career OPS+ of 112 is actually a bit less than the average (120) among the 14 catchers currently enshrined. Of course, Pudge's 12 Gold Gloves put him in a class by himself.
Interestingly, Posada is in the mix, at least by the OPS+ measurement of 125. But his career hitting accumulations don't quite measure up, though his OBP compares favorably to Piazza's.
August 23rd, 2007 at 9:08 am
[...] primarily a defense position back then. For more thoughts on this, please read toward the end of this earlier post. In Mattingly’s defense, he had fewer than 300 at-bats in his first two seasons, while [...]
October 31st, 2007 at 7:52 am
[...] the season, I wrote about Jorge Posada’s incredible season for a 35-year-old. Now that the season has ended, we can get a little perspective on just how good his season [...]
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